Celtic Heroes

Purple, you are right in as much as this is just a game, in the the same way that a song is just a song, or a film is just a film. But this is not to say that a person cannot be moved by them in life, either consciously or subconsciously.
When a persons gaming life draws to an end, for whatever reason, it is true there is nothing material they make take from it. No more shall they have need of prized armour. It shall be cast off, and their aggy books put aside. Yet despite this, they have had a poor gaming experience indeed, if they have gained nothing at all.
There is a quote, I half recall (and may have been popularised in the film gladiator), which states what we do in life echoes in eternity. With this in mind, what I would add, is that for every stone we cast online, the ripples extend to life outside.
If someone has has a bad day of gaming, they might quite easily pass the homeless guy sleeping in the shop doorway, without so much as sparing a thought, let alone a coin. Whereas someone who has been shown kindness and generosity, and be left with a sunnier disposition, may more readily reach into their own pocket. Who is to judge the eventual value of that single pound / dollar?
A person who has been uplifted or downtrodden, whether in-game or not, can carry that mood with them and give of it to those that cross their path, and to assert otherwise is a tad naive.
In short, generosity, kindness, truth, and empathy, are never a waste of time or effort, regardless of the environment in which they are manifest initially.

Really? If an individual's gaming experience affects them in real life they need to disconnect from this false reality. A person's choices shall not be affected by a game if their character is strong. If one had a bad day in a game, being ksed or whatever pisses people off nowadays, it should not affect the reality of life and their true character. If gaming really affects people this much, then shame on them, because their outlook on life should never be based on a fake environment and false reality.

The game is no longer just a game after you've spent hundreds on it and got to know alot of amazing people.

Think about what you just said.

The rationale you espouse, purple, can be used to excuse any number of abhorrent actions... Racial abuse, incitement of religious hatred. By your words all such transgressions can simply be dismissed because this is "just a game", and anyone effected by things that transpire through this medium are not of "strong character".
I'm sorry to break this to you, chap, but anyone that thinks is ok to act however they please (including scamming), without due thought to those they may effect, are not the sort to be lecturing on what it means to be of strong character.
Perhaps it is you who should give thought to what it is that you are saying in your posts.

Kind regards,

Magustra

I haven't the rank to speak on this matter yet if I may be given to speak amongst the greats.

Before I was saved by the God of War I was in an army that was built on individualism and venture capitalism. Meaning after killing a beast who ever got an item held the rules on whether or not to give, sell, to ration off the item whether or not it was of any use to them or other patrons in the group.

The God of War is an empathic entity, all accepting. She took me in when I was weak, although in the beginning stages, I carried the values and principles I learned in my former army.

I had around 30 or so remnants from my former army, all of which were of no use to me, and wardens armer.

Then came my second encounter of the Right Arm, the God of Danu as I saw him in the Tavern, upset, on my way to Gastor for work. I told the Right Arm, I was upset because someone in our army had scammed me.

I explained to this Giant of man that someone traded me a cloud to which I was attracted to. I offered 10k(life savings). I traded and within minutes noticed that it had no speed increase and asked for my money back to which I was called a newb, and told "it is just a game" to add insult to injury, the God of War's accepting nature welcomed this individual to the army, and so I had to coexist with someone who exploited me.


So the Right Arm, then gave me 10k and said, "It is my problem now" But explained to me the difference between being scammed and being exploited, for it was my own ignorance that did me in, along with the apathetic and vulture characteristics of this toon in which I will remain unnamed. I thanked him but then...soon after I had a cognitive shift of sorts.


This is where the Right Arm's third paragraph comes into fruition, for I am a physical manifestation of this paragraph.

To the old historic players: You guys hold the key, when you stand on honor and fairness people look up and see what you stand on and follow it with out question But when you faulter your dreams of the old days will soon run aground. Like it or not being old school player can mean you are the example of what was and what should be, you are the leader of today and could be for tomarrow if you so see it fit. When you guys fail to stand on the best ground it will seem all the world is a mist and order is out the door with no control and no hope for change. Making a great leader is not given to the weak but earned to the ones that can be followed.

What commenced later on was a relentless soloing exposition in raising funds in order to pay the Right Arm back. Mind you I still had his 10k. But for some reason I could not understand, the first person to ever give me that much gold for free, sent me into a free fall of guilt in which I wanted to earn back by working to raise the funds. Luckily the hawkhurst chests cut my time in half, for the red eyes gave very little in the other world this took me 4 days.

In finally reaching my goal of having 20k. I went back to the Tavern, yet could not find him. I then mailed him the 10k gold. And told him, "And old Ox told me once to ensure I do not exploit those who choose to help the weak"

I then learned form the God of War in dialogue about this person, that he (the scammer)was most likely exploited before I was, and thus he was taught this a principle of Danu. I was blessed to observe this circle of greed early. These early influences taught me early on that those who suppress others, may be more in pain than their victims and must be saved. A Defining moment at lvl 81. Which culminated into being Knighted as a Guardian at age 87 in a grand ceremony in the Tavern by the Right Arm. I am lucky and grateful to be saved early.

Since then I have tried multiple times to repeat to others what the Right Arm did with me. What happened is that the cycle of greed changed into a cycle of hope, starting with that day at the Tavern. I have tried to save others with some success, as some became Generals in the army I am in who have far surpassed my strength from a simple gesture of handing an old weapon that is good for someone else instead of selling it. And sometimes my attempts have failed, when paying for someones remnants for someone else has missed its mark and ppl fail to understand the lesson and are currently lost, doomed to spaz out in the arena causing issues in clans that hold no weight in Danu.


To make a long story short, on the eve of me reaching 150 without lix. I have never sold a drop since that encounter. And gave all those stored remnants to our clan bank. Before anyone believes this is foolish, I can then say I have never paid a guild mate for a quest item ever since and never waited 5 levels outside of achieving an armor milestone, from meteoric to frozen and currently 5 grand shards away from a full set of ancient beast bone at lvl 148.


The Right Arm has served to saved me along with the other Pillars from the free fall of greed that is the virus of Danu that keeps us out of union. There is a symmetrical perfect balance between the God of War and the Right Arm, for the first represents love and acceptance, to which would easily be consumed by the exploits of the greedy without the protection of the Right Arm, who represents the Power, spine like a steel ram rod, the culminating right cross after two left jabs, the deep wisdom and vulnerability of scars of war, and principles that are stronger than forces that hold planets and subatomic particles in orbit.

The rationale you espouse, purple, can be used to excuse any number of abhorrent actions... Racial abuse, incitement of religious hatred. By your words all such transgressions can simply be dismissed because this is "just a game", and anyone effected by things that transpire through this medium are not of "strong character".
I'm sorry to break this to you, chap, but anyone that thinks is ok to act however they please (including scamming), without due thought to those they may effect, are not the sort to be lecturing on what it means to be of strong character.
Perhaps it is you who should give thought to what it is that you are saying in your posts.

Kind regards,

Magustra

Did you not read my part about how a game should not affect real life? And racial abuse? Religious hatred? I never thought of justifying those horrible things. Those are not to be justified by being in a game. Not all transgressions can be dismissed because it is a game. Addressing the statement of yours,"but anyone that thinks is ok to act however they please (including scamming), without due thought to those they may effect, are not the sort to be lecturing on what it means to be of strong character." It is up to the individual to act stupidly or be kind or compassionate to others. Scamming nowadays only affects people who cannot tell a scam from a truth, which is only easy to differentiate if you have a brain. Without thought to those they may affect.... Well I'm sorry to break it to YOU, chap, but scamming is not one way, a scammer does not just take items or gold from one's inventory, the individual has to agree to the scam. Even if you have been scammed (I have), further actions in game or not are up to you. I lost everything (500k+), and yet I am richer than before with no real money input into the game. EVER. I did not cry, pass up the beggar at the corner, or let losing a number I saw on a screen hurt me in any way. I left the game for a while then came back. Your actions are for you to choose and your character is based of how others perceive those actions.

I believe I jumped around a lot ...
Reply if I missed anything.

Best Regards,

PurpleKnight

Ok, so no to racial abuse and religious attacks then... That's a relief!
Perhaps you should have set some parameters in your opening statement in that event, as certainly I would think these prime examples of how one person's actions in-game might filter through to effect someone in real life.
What of cyber bullying? Certainly there are youngsters that play this game. Do we add that to the list of exclusions overlooked in your earlier premise?
And to the point of scamming being a two-way street. Yes, I would say it involves a lapse of judgement in the majority of cases, by are you seriously excusing the behaviour of the perpetrator on that basis? If someone makes the mistake of taking a short-cut home through a poorly lit alley and suffer harm at the hands of another in the process, would you place blame upon the victim?
And yes, I realise you will probably cite the contrast between gaming and real life situations, but a principle is a principle regardless. Besides, I think it's been made abundantly clear that lines set out in your earlier argument are blurred at best.
These might be extreme examples, but if you are going champion a questionable cause then you have to expect it to be subject to the odd stress-test.
That leads me to yet another question... Why did you even feel the need to make such a derisory challenge to Merlin's inoffensive ideals?
Was it his hideous notion that people might be better to treat each decently, that you took exception to? Or perhaps the fact he actually garnered some admiration from fellow players concerning the way he approaches the game?
My guess would be that his words made an ill portrait for the way you view yourself, and rather than looking to the model you blamed the painter instead.
I could pick further holes in your argument, but they wouldn't compare to the conversational hole you continue to dig for yourself.
Perhaps rather than holding up your hands, and climbing out into the light, you believe that if you continue to dig hard enough in the same direction, that you will eventually come out on the other side. Who knows, perhaps you will. I hope you do. All I know is that I don't want to be standing next to you and holding the flashlight while you continue to burrow away.
To this end, why don't we just draw a line under this matter, and agree to disagree.
At the end of the day, you are right in that people may choose to act as they please, to do good or ill... But who in their right mind would reason that a person is wrong in suggesting that the former is preferable to the latter?

All the best,

Magustra

All words in blue are my responses.

Ok, so no to racial abuse and religious attacks then... That's a relief!
Perhaps you should have set some parameters in your opening statement in that event, as certainly I would think these prime examples of how one person's actions in-game might filter through to effect someone in real life. How exactly does a bad day of celtic heroes transfer to horrible things in real life?
What of cyber bullying? Certainly there are youngsters that play this game. Do we add that to the list of exclusions overlooked in your earlier premise? There is a block button and derogatory words and insults from people you do not know should be taken with a grain of salt. People use a lot of profanity and I usually block those who do. Cyber-bullying is preventable by the parents and the player through usage or not of the game and its tools. However cyber-bullying is limited through not knowing the person and so on. Cyber-bullying and other things are still issues, and it is a parents choice whether to let their children play looking at the age restriction and options such as the block on profanity may lead parents to the logical conclusion that their youngsters should not play.
And to the point of scamming being a two-way street. Yes, I would say it involves a lapse of judgement in the majority of cases, by are you seriously excusing the behaviour of the perpetrator on that basis? If someone makes the mistake of taking a short-cut home through a poorly lit alley and suffer harm at the hands of another in the process, would you place blame upon the victim? The victim need not take all the blame but some part of it is the victims fault. The perpetrator is still the perpetrator and is to blame for the main part.
And yes, I realise you will probably cite the contrast between gaming and real life situations, but a principle is a principle regardless. Besides, I think it's been made abundantly clear that lines set out in your earlier argument are blurred at best.
These might be extreme examples, but if you are going champion a questionable cause then you have to expect it to be subject to the odd stress-test.
That leads me to yet another question... Why did you even feel the need to make such a derisory challenge to Merlin's inoffensive ideals? I was just stating my opinion.
Was it his hideous notion that people might be better to treat each decently, that you took exception to? Or perhaps the fact he actually garnered some admiration from fellow players concerning the way he approaches the game? Hahaha, I am not jealous, I admire Merlin and you, and I concede if I argued that people should not treat each other decently.
My guess would be that his words made an ill portrait for the way you view yourself, and rather than looking to the model you blamed the painter instead.
I could pick further holes in your argument, but they wouldn't compare to the conversational hole you continue to dig for yourself.
Perhaps rather than holding up your hands, and climbing out into the light, you believe that if you continue to dig hard enough in the same direction, that you will eventually come out on the other side. Who knows, perhaps you will. I hope you do. All I know is that I don't want to be standing next to you and holding the flashlight while you continue to burrow away.
To this end, why don't we just draw a line under this matter, and agree to disagree.
At the end of the day, you are right in that people may choose to act as they please, to do good or ill... But who in their right mind would reason that a person is wrong in suggesting that the former is preferable to the latter?

All the best,

Magustra

All words in blue are my responses.

I think this topic has brought out our wiser sides. Some may think that I have no wisdom whatsoever. They might think the same for you too. But when you think about it, we just had a discussion that has brought out the very essence of us. We act out of randomness, but that randomness is affected by your train of thought. If you wake up, play CH, and get scammed, that is what you will think about for a good amount of the day. But this also depends on how long you have played CH. It's like sports, you make an amazing play but then you mess up horribly trying to throw the ball to first base. (baseball) All you can think about is the horrible play. Relate this to scamming. I hope this helped add to the conversation.

did i just kill the topic.........

The power of the game is not the play. It is the human connection. It's not the drops or the rank or the level. It is the human experience of being with people, good and bad, from all over the world. This game is based off of those interactions and my life, as many others, has be touched by the gaint of a man who went by the name RA.