Celtic Heroes

For my own sanity I have removed the original post. I was not able to clearly state my point and instead I just created a massive argument, I am sorry.

I just want to say 1 thing right here, and it is a rule a lot know in eve, that if you keep missing out on the rarer items and still need 'em you are expected to help the clan and yourself by camping that boss, and if the camping doesn't work out or your just leveling too much perhaps, then you'll be given the items.

Basically, you gotta camp for it to show you want it otherwise its like giving 1million dollars free to a dead ass....

Anyways, yes it is true you see eves killing catacomb bosses, but we're either only doing it to get diamonds for the upgrade weapon, or just for gold... Incarnation of Donn is a nice gold dropper, so why not kill it? The arch-disciples are for no quest. And barely anyone levels in the Catacombs, so a lot are not there to kill the bosses.

To point out one last thing....

Now I don't know when you had left, but back in Update 2 times, top dps were required for falgren groups, especially since he was an exactly 1 hour spawn so it was nearly 24/7 ffa.

Not to mention you weren't all that active in update 2, especially leveling-wise so the fact some alts geared before you could simply be because they got the drops from the boss, or they just leveled more/were more active than you.

I didn't see you a whole lot tbh, but Eve and Sin do let people in for quest bosses if they ask, depending on the circumstances at that time.

You missed the point of the post...

Hey! I worked hard to get a diamond.. Do you want me to give it to you so you don't have to earn it?

I am all for allowing others to get geared and helping them to do so, which is why I will rarely FFA on meteoric or worse bosses and IF i do, I hand any drop i get straight to the people that need (even though i don't have to).

This whole post seems out to me. People who work hard get rewarded.

-_- i did work hard for my gear!!!!

and my lux isnt 1/10 of urs... thts just plain insulting

Lol Gwain :p did I say it was you? And I know not everyone is this way, the post is for the ones that are and hopefully inspire some change, also I have worked hard for all my gear unlike others who were just handed it... Someone was telling me how impossible it was to find a Diamond Crystal Horn, so I asked how long they have been trying, they told me 4 hours and I nearly started crying... They had no bloody idea what "hard" was an that is what partly inspired me to make this post.

And fine Gwain, its more like 1/5...

First, you're not exactly one to take the high moral ground in such a debate. People do lvl in Dust, and the lower order quests there (e.g. Dry Bones) - that is, when you're not on a nuclear trip to kill everything down there. So high lvls taking Dust bosses is nothing compared to you taking everything.

Second - we're a teenytiny Clan. Yet we've lvled a fair few to good lvls, and we are beginning to have frozen creep in. Yes, not as quick as might be with a bigger clan - but we've been around for less than a year. Sin and Eve a lot longer. Many newer clans pass us because they recruit. We don't. But still all the controlling or whatnot you're on about... Well, my experience differs.

I'm not quite sure what your point actually is, though. On the one hand you're asking that the big clans don't use their high lvls to keep frag etc. stocks going, but the same time people should give to you (or smaller clans)? Sounds weird. Sin and Eve have no responsibility to any clan but their own.

So it means us in small clans have to work a bit harder, or be more patient. That's the price for choosing not to be part of a larger group. I can live with that, and we're not doing too bad with it tyvm.

I would say that they have a duty of care to the world, because they are the most powerful entities in it. With great power and all that. But that doesn't extend to gearing people outside their own. If Sin and Eve went rogue, they could screw the game up for everyone concerned. But they don't. They more or less play fair with the power they have.

Perhaps it should extend to not causing server crashes, but y'know... Just sayin'

Sorry if my point was lost somewhere in the banter of my post. The point is people who already have Warden should not be killing Falg unless it is to help others get Warden (and I mean not to put more discs in the clan bank either). Yes I am guilty of running through combs killing everything, and now I am speaking out not only scolding my own behaviour but everyones. We are all guilty of hogging a quest boss in the combs just to gain that easy 2k and such, my point is that we need to stop worrying so much about outselves and more about others. Don't have the mind set "no one is around, so I will just kill Disciple Kiara for the loot" and instead have the mindset "oh, someone may need that so ill just leave it be for them". I do point out in my post I do not want Sin or Eve to start handing stuff out or anything like that, I want them to stop being greedy when it comes to bosses and allow others clans to get a kill once and awhile. I can tell you that the only way a small clan is going to kill Falgren is if Eve and Sin are both busy on another boss, other than that they will FFA it and win everytime. I am calling for a change for people to base boss kills off of need and not greed. Now its obvious that some upgrades everyone needs, but instead of having the lvl 150s in full frozen storm in for the kill, allow the people who need said upgrade to get the kill themselves, and if not then call in for help. No more FFA between clans, let it be group anyone who is in need of the boss or drop from that boss then roll for it after (or goes to whoever gets)... This will put more money into the economy thus bettering it.