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Ancients - selling drops

#1
There has been a lot of chatter recently regarding the selling of drops within the clan. As usual, there are two sides of the issue. On the one hand, you have someone who needs gold to buy idols and potions - and who spend significant time and money to get drops. On the other hand, most quest items are far easier to get as we gain levels - and we should be supporting our clanmates. I would like to propose the following - these are not rules, just suggestions to be commented on:

Rarest, high value items: These are items that are in high demand, are difficult to get, and which require a fair amount of camping or luck to achieve. Examples: Dragon Frags, Elm frags (at the moment), Mind Tabs (esp slate), fairy diamonds, goblets (esp copper). I think it is ok to allow our clanmates the occasional payday when they get one of these - they should be allowed to offer such things at only slight reduction off market value without recrimination. BTW - by market value, that does not mean the exceptionally rich person who offers and absurd amount for an item. All that being said, i would hope these valuable items would stay in clan. If you think this is unreasonable, then perhaps you should spend days or weeks camping for a valuable drop (i know there is some wiseguy who will point out how they have and have given it away, but just because some people and over generous does not mean everyone can afford to be).

for warden/meteoric gear:

BP items (space): max of 20K in clan for established members. Higher for newer members.
Leg armour (air and star): max of 15K in clan
other tablets/rems: earth, water, rock, fire, metal: 1k-5k in clan (presumably 1k for something like a rock rem and 3-5k for a metal or fire).
oaks and crowns: 6-8k in clan
moons: 1k or less
suns: 1k-3k

I have no real opinion regarding crests. Orbs at 5k seems reasonable.

Remember, clans are about supporting each other - and selling inexpensively will generally pay off nicely in the end for you. Personally, i tend to give away most quest items free to long term clanmates i have worked with for a long time and with whom i group often (making them stronger costs me less idols if nothing else). For all others, i feel no guilt about charging prices indicated above - especially when someone who cannot even scratch the boss is buying. They are reasonable prices that allow members to get their armor far earlier than they would get it if they had to fully participate in boss battles.

I would like to no longer see members charging outrageous amounts. Likewise, I don't want to see members, especially lower levels who have little chance of getting these drops yet, complaining about reasonable prices just because they have not managed to save 5k.

As mentioned elsewhere - there is a difference between long term, loyal, established members (most of whom are quite high level), and relatively new members, or those who bounce from clan to clan. Prices for established members (especially from established members) should be on the lower side.

Again, your comments are welcome. The numbers i chose above are examples - but i am open to adjusting them. Also, i recognize that reasonable numbers now may not be reasonable a month from now as the game changes and some things become common while others become more rare.

one last observation - you can often make more money/time by selling a lot at low prices as opposed to trying to maximize the profit on any single item.

thanks
Last edited by xyn on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Civility, Integrity, and the Hermeneutic of Generosity

World: Lugh
Akbar: Ranger 220+
DrXyn-Druid 180+
Xyn: Mage 170+
Rabka: Rogue 150+
Rabak: Warrior 90+
Clan: Chieftain of Ancients

Re: Ancients - selling drops

#4
This is a great foundation to clan pricing for established clan members. For some clan members that seem to come and go the pricing might be set higher until they are proven to be committed to the clan. We should set their status as recruit to differentiate who is who. We all know who some of those individuals are. I truly believe a clan should be like a family who can be trusted and counted on for help. As pointed out we all need gold to purchase things for boss fights, leveling, and items and these prices are reasonable. WTG Akbar on a job well done!!!

Re: Ancients - selling drops

#5
This is a very well thought out idea and makes alot of sense. Ofcourse I will comment bc I was asked by also I feel very strongly about these issues. Mine might not be as well stated as AKs but here are my thoughts.

First off I really back what the last person said about different lvls in clan and how we rank. Very good idea. We have alot of new guys and it's hard to keep track.

As for the clan prices listed above I very well agree with them except slightly for the harder to get items and messy items to get like drags, elms, ingots, space, mind like mentioned. On the open market for example dragons can be sold for 40k still and space similar to cap it at half that for clan makes menand I'm sure others looking to sell elsewhere. Bc like ak said we deserve that payday. Those bosses are expensive at times with idols as we have all these lower guys finding the bosses and zayin they need should be in it. Props to u for finding it but we need to look at the lvl comparison. Even one less attacker at a high lvl or loss of a Druid for that spot can mean 5 more idols per person. For people who don't have the means to buy plat gaining those idols is a costly factor.

I guess what I'm saying is maybe up from 20k to 30-35k for again the big ticket items.

Another big thing to me is if u ask for something and someone says 5k don't reply no way the price is much lower and I've bought others for cheaper. That upsets me and I'd gather most others. If u don't wanna pay the asking price say sorry inwas looking to pay less and reply with a resonable number. To me if I get the first response most likely I won't sell u that item or others in the future.

I hope this post isn't coming accross as greedy or selfish or anything bad. I've tried to play with respect. It's not always easy and we all cross the line but I'm just throwing out there my thoughts and ideas.

Re: Ancients - selling drops

#6
I think for those who aren't proven members maybe we go with the pricing from lostgirls post and for those who are established and proven bye putting in the hard work to lvl and resources we go with Akbars pricing. Like Akbar said the rockbelly's and deadroot bosses dont cost as much as most established players are now above lvl 120 and quicker to kill. I remember it costing me 20-30 idols and restors for rockbelly but now with the right group i spend nothing. It also takes a lot less time to kill 15 min to the 30-40 min it used to. The bosses seem to spawn more frequently because most can solo the mini bosses to get the bosses to spawn faster. Just another 2 cents of mine. :)

Re: Ancients - selling drops

#7
ok, i added a few bits to the original post to hopefully encapsulate some of the thinking here. Thanks
Civility, Integrity, and the Hermeneutic of Generosity

World: Lugh
Akbar: Ranger 220+
DrXyn-Druid 180+
Xyn: Mage 170+
Rabka: Rogue 150+
Rabak: Warrior 90+
Clan: Chieftain of Ancients

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