Celtic Heroes

First of all I have main hand not just azz. Second you say that you are trying hard to get purple crown for azz yet you have been very inactive for the past several of months and not trying to pay back, why should you get offhand when you rarely play?

You just got very recently, then. And I have not sen you with it.
Several of months? At most can say inactive for two months, ish. Several has never meant two.
I just said that I'm not trying to get it for myself.
Even so, I've been active all but 2-3 months in total since expansion 4 hit. Instant has been playing game (or at least at a semi-high level) for 1-3/1-2 of that time. So all in all, I've spent way more time camping DL bosses. Explain how he earns a spot that high with me not even on it? Or above Vult? (My only issue)

Also, under this system, if adopted, I would not owe Azz or anyone else, which sort of renders that point useless.
How could I owe anyone, pay someone back, if I had to follow the stated instructions of letting an item be given to next on list without even dicing? People that owe me items as well no longer would, either. Paying back would be impossible.

First of all I have main hand not just azz. Second you say that you are trying hard to get purple crown for azz yet you have been very inactive for the past several of months and not trying to pay back, why should you get offhand when you rarely play?

Another thing. Never did I say I was "trying hard to get purple crown for azz."
Never. Don't know why you'd claim that I did say that.

I vote no, atleast for rogue, simply because of the rarity, someone might as well not turn up if theyre low on the list. Aka me. Necro isnt doable sure but everything requires time. Im in no rush for necro, why are you? To kill another boss? To find another boss to camp/hoard drops/get bored of? No i simply vote no cause its not worth me giving up my chances or anyone elses chances to get weapon and offhand.

And even druid is wrong... Venus is only just able to get dl mainhand and im higher level and more willing for druid main and offhand than venus. No hate on him, vult and i are good friends, but he is the one trading green crowns for purple. I just hope people review this seriously. As a bystander this seems very one sided. Not enough thought of time spend camping or even how useful they would be in a fight.

First, thank you Ade for starting this conversation. Given the grumbling, it is important to keep communication open.

However, despite thinking the conversation is good, i disagree with this idea, i do not think we should do this.

first: why bother even showing up, or showing up all the time, if you are at the top of the list. and if you are at the bottom, why bother at all since it will be months no matter what. just show up enough so that people know you are there sometimes and stay on the list. And why would i ever bring DrXyn down there anymore since i am not even on the list.

second: i doubt you will ever get agreement on a list. Heck, where is toycat and LadyB? Two powerful druids who have been playing longer than nearly everyone else on this server. yet you have sabre who is part of toycat's clan on the list. This is not a reflection on sabre, who is awesome, just on how contentious a list will be.

third: if a clan or person is hoarding now, what makes you think they will stop. Heck, what are we going to do when someone not on the list (say vulture for the heck of it) shows up one day with a weapon before someone else at the top? we gonna ban them? i doubt it.

Currently we have a fair, enforceable and (amazingly) agreed upon system by a majority of Lugh. Sure, some people (like vulture) have had bad luck despite months of camping, but that doesnt make the system poor. but despite these qualities, there are lots of complaints and drama. the list system will multiply complaints and drama dramatically.

I think Lists are fine, but they are good within a clan, not between all the clans.

if you want to see more movements of crowns, then we would be better served (imo) by allowing DL sales. I can see a couple ways to do this and avoid too much abuse:
1. have a 1 month only sale - during march DL can be sold - we can see how it works
2. create a fixed pricelist for DL items. something that allows a crown to be sold for decent profit, but not exorbitant. most high levels can afford 100k for example even though a few might be willing to pay 500k or more.
3. combine 1 and 2 above.

again, though i disagree with the list idea, i do thank you, Ade, for opening the conversation in a thoughtful way. It is important to keep discussing options for find the best system for Lugh.

Heli could camp snorri a few times every day and he'd still have a very very low chance of winning a purple crown. We can't expect miracles. But lets not make this about Heli please.

Luk I think I agree that rouges should probably be left out of this. They clearly can't work together.

Mages and rangers already kinda have an informal system like this. Druids and warriors could cooperate enough to make this happen too I think.

Let's please not get off topic. Just post whether you like the idea of this system, would like a different system, or would like to keep the current system. Adding some reasoning for your decision would help too

Ak sums it up pretty darn well, thanks. Creating a list might create more problems than solve. This proposal should still be discussed further, i think.

A more accurate list agreed upon by the clan leaders could solve any problems we have with rankings.

By way of disclaimer let me point out that I have full DL armor, wep and offhand. I recently repaid the last crown that I owed, so I have nothing to gain or lose with either system. I am in favor of dicing for items by class but opposed to trying to manage drops beyond this point. I believe Ade’s intentions are good with proposing a new system for DL items but as you can see there are a lot of unintended consequences associated with managing drops with this level of detail.

My vote is to remain with the current system and continue the ban on selling DL items.

yes Ade, i agree that under our system it will be longer before we kill necro. but that is a price i am more than willing to pay to stay on a 'free' lugh - one that is not dominated by a single clan (or even 2). People can clan up with their friends - large and small clans - and will always be welcome if they play by our agreed upon rules.

Democratic systems and committees are rarely as efficient as other forms of governance, but that's ok by me

I disagree with this

It should stay how it is and instead classes sort themselves out rather than forcing it on everyone.

If we are going to solve this problems between clans/players need sorting, however I think the current way works well enough.

Intention wise Ade's proposal is advantageous to Lugh. It aims to make the world stronger by gearing up players with the weapons and offhands they need to kill bosses more efficiently and to finally defeat Necro. For this I commend her for actually trying to think of a remedy to what is seemingly a distasteful circumstance we are all in. Think about this...

Player A (180ish): 1 crown (6 months in his backpack, played 1 year)
Player B (190ish): 2 crowns (2 months in his backpack, played 6 months)
Player C (170ish): 1 crown (1 week in his backpack, played 2 years)

This is just one possible example I can think of. Big question is: "WHO GETS THE WEAPON?!?" Amongst the three players who will be willing to give up their crown/s? What is the fairest way to decide on this?

Shenshen raises a good point here. How do we choose the rankings?!? And it seems to be, based on this thread, Players A, B, and C will each feel left out if one is chosen above the others. No one seems to be willing enough to get just one player equipped. It boils down to "ME" and not Lugh.

So kudos to Ade for conceptualizing. Would be a perfect system if Lugh is Utopia but sadly it is not.