Celtic Heroes

Ok so following a discussion that took place about the mage reqs and support classes getting lowered reqs, I thought I would do the same for druid class.
My issue being much the same as Smarts with mages.
I propose a 190 druid req for the 200 boss, and will even take it a step further and propose a 10 lvl below rule for all bosses regarding druids.
Many druids have now hit oR passed 190 lvl and proven its not impossible.
Thoughts? Opinions? Input?
Anything welcome and pass the word to druids that this convo is taking place.
Thanks for your time.
WendellX

I'm completely for the boss req for druids being 10 under boss. As Wendell has said, we have enough druids of level now that that shouldn't be a problem. The lower druid req has always been a pain for us end game druid mains, dating back to aggy in version 3. The problem is that if a boss is 10+ levels higher than the DPS theres a huge reduction in damage done so hence the reason for creating level reqs for bosses. Thing about druids though is our heals and buffs are unaffected by boss level. Though that does make it easier when low on druids to just bring in lower leveled ones it can hurt others by drops of a much higher level ending up in a bank of an underleveled toon. It's easier to handle for raid bosses like mordy and necro because there are basically set times so the druids that are of level know and can plan to join the fight. The 200 boss though spawns multiple times throughout the day making it more difficult to be available for some fights. But let's look at it this way... If there wasn't enough dps on at the moment would we call in rogues, rangers, and warriors as low as 150 to help us kill? Or would we wait for more to log? We would wait for more to log... I feel it should be the same for druids. God forbid though it be an extra 10-15 minute wait for "of level" druids to log, cause he's totally gonna disappear in that short period of time.

Tl;dr version: +1 to druid level req being 10 under also.

Another option though was proposed by Vult in a previous topic about toons that are a certain number of levels under drop can't roll on said drop. Example being a 180 can't roll on a 190 drop. That could cause problems though so I say we go with level reqs cause that has worked well for us so far.

Thank you for reading and I'll cyall in game

+ 1 to druids for 190

Ok so following a discussion that took place about the mage reqs and support classes getting lowered reqs, I thought I would do the same for druid class.
My issue being much the same as Smarts with mages.
I propose a 190 druid req for the 200 boss, and will even take it a step further and propose a 10 lvl below rule for all bosses regarding druids.
Many druids have now hit oR passed 190 lvl and proven its not impossible.
Thoughts? Opinions? Input?
Anything welcome and pass the word to druids that this convo is taking place.
Thanks for your time.
WendellX

It's not a matter of the possibility of reaching 190 or not. It's a matter of the purpose of each class and their ability to fulfill that purpose. There was no logical thinking in a support mage level requirement, what good are 5 of the same lure at the same level doing? You just have 5 apes standing around doing nothing the whole fight where as if you have 5 druids healing that is a sufficient use of druids. You argued why not have support rogues at 180 req then? Hmm let's see, they cast 2 skills and then stand around waiting for a cooldown, then again, then add 20 rogues doing the same thing. A support rogue casts expose and smoke and then goes to work on the boss while they wait around, spending a large majority of the time autoing the boss or even using some dps skills, that's why their level would still need to be within an acceptable range. Warriors, rangers, mages, and rogues have a main purpose of dps and can have support as a side option(Tank is the main purpose of a warrior but really we only need 2 tanks at this fight so let's call warriors dps). Druids can be both, but mainly choose to be support. Multiple 'side option' classes are redundant(multiple of the same lure, multiple expose/smoke, etc) but multiple healing classes is just the way they work(5 druids healing).

Anyways I don't see why this would be changed for this boss. It's much easier than Garanak and actually has drops that are equippable by the "under leveled" druids. The only active druids I see are elle and fry and the rest just show up here and there. Not that there's anything wrong with not being very active, I'm not very active with my druid lately, I'm just saying that we still have limited resources in terms of druid power.

In conclusion I don't really see the point of raising the druid level req besides allowing 190+ druids to have better rolling opportunities but if that's the way the vote goes so be it.

-1 from me if that wasn't obvious.

-1 from me also, and i know that some of you will disregard my post because i am not 190. (only 144 atm)

Regardless most people in Lugh (of the reputable clans at least), do listen for most part.
the level 10 boss requirement was instituted for the specific cause of ensuring people that had the oppurtunity to dice, contributed equally to the fight. Some people think this rule applies to people that are afk or laying on the ground most of the battle, meaning that they shouldnt dice. Personally i think this shouldnt be the case. I am full focus, meaning i have no vitality invested (so just the 10 vit from starting), so yes on bosses that spam area damages, yes i am out of commission due to the idol counter, now i know this is a rare case, but brought it up while we were on the subject.

The level req rule was put in place to make sure all classes could contribute to the fight (level 50 alts at mordy anyone?), for support classes that requirement was lowered. when the rules was created it didnt just apply to druids, but most people have taken it to mean that, as most druids are support leaning. if druids can contribute to a fight on par with a level druid that is, i believe they should be allowed to fight/heal.

-1 druid reqs should never be higher than 15 levels below the boss

-1 for me. Although my druid isn't as high as others who are voting... here are my thoughts.

With the new event gear, a level 150 druid is now able to have nearly a 2k+ heal... which I assume is just under what some current level 190's are hitting (before obtaining current drops). A support druid can still do a great job supporting, since they aren't required to do damage to the mob.

Instead of changing the level req for support druids to 10 below the boss, why not instead leave it at 15 below AND also have it be a sort of "roll by upgrade/need/item exchange" dicing system for druids.

For example:

There are three druids present at the 200 boss. A 190, a 195 and a level 185. Lets say that the level 190 has a +8 Natures Touch/Breath charm, so does the level 195 and the 185 druid is still rocking a +6 Touch/Breath charm from the level 150 spider. Now, one of the drops from the 200 boss is a +10 Touch/Breath charm. All three druids roll for the new dropped charm, the 185 happens to win the drop.

Now should the 185 keep the drop? Or would it be more beneficial that one of the level 190/195 druids instead TRADE the level 185 for the Godly charm and in return give them their +8 charm + maybe a little gold or whatever to make up the difference.

This would allow people to still upgrade their items and not have to worry so much about a low level alt getting all the nice drops and never using them, or having to wait a lot longer to use them. This isn't a perfect world, nor a perfect system... just a thought that I had that may help out more than raising the level req for support druids.

If I were level 185 and happened to win a Void mordy spear, I would rather trade for a Shadow spear + gold to a level 190+ who could actually benefit right away from the better gear... because having to level those excruciating 5 levels would suck balls and take forever (for me at least).

I understand that druids who are 190+ have worked extremely hard and long to get to where they are... showing that it is possible, but it seems that raising the bar once more for a support build is a way of keeping the higher end drops with those that are already at a high level.


On a world where clans work together, I think it would be more beneficial to leave the level req the same, but work in some sort of system of upgrading those that have already earned said level, but in return are helping out the lower level druids with their "old' gear in return sorta thing.

Just my thoughts... bash em if ya want =)

-1 for me.

I think vulture said it best. While all classes have support skills, most such skills dont really stack and are not needed the way healing is. 15 lvls below seems reasonable, especially since the drops are usable. And while there are a good number of 190+ druids (about 10 who are on regularly), it is rare that there are many on at the same time. It has been nearly a month since we had the right number for necro.

I would actually like to hear the opinion of the warriors or others who benefit from our support. Do you want us there if we are 15 lvls below rather than 10?

Thx

-1 from me

180-185 druids can heal just as effectively as 190+. Healers are in much higher demand due to the low population of end game healers. In addition, as previously mentioned a lower level healer spamming heal is much more useful than multiple lower level support classes spamming the same skills. Continuing to allow 180-185 druids will allow us to kill 200 boss without wasting all of our time by sitting and waiting for 190 druids to log on and be at their mercy.

If you high level druids are worried about drops, try rolling a 190+ rogue and see how you like those odds.

Even though I am not 190 yet, but 185, I would say +1 to druids being 190 req for 200.
This is because all classes should be an equal level, this would make it more fair for everyone. although it may be a little harder to level to 190, like Wendell said, it is possible as many have done it already.