Celtic Heroes

After discussing with wytt and lightface and based mainly on the post : “Arawn killed aggragoth again”
http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticher ... 10&t=15054

Aggragoth first battle in Lugh is set-up : Saturday 1rst of September

08 AM London Time
09 AM Paris Time
11 AM Moscow Time
03 PM Beijing Time
04 PM Tokyo Time
05 PM Sydney Time
09 PM Papeete Time
12 PM Los Angeles Time
03 AM New York Time

Meeting : at OTW tower second leystone, then players on camo will go first clean up the cave before arrival of non camo players and give the signal to them to come when it is cleaned.

Level Cap : As in Arawn server, to make sure no free riders, only level 130 for non Druid class and 100 for Druids will be allowed into the groups.

Groups : Most servers can do it with 2 groups, so a total of 16 players. 3 group is better to lower the costs, but in that case, only the two main groups will have the chance of getting drops.

In case of a third group : Lower levels, people getting late during the fight, people letting their spots to other friends of clansmate will be in potential third support group. NB : Grinding level is an important part of the game, and it is important that Lugh gets stronger.

Drops : Both Agg's group and the second support group are equally important. SO both groups should be treated the same for chance of getting drops. Same rule as other servers:

- No “who gets keeps” => All drops have to be diced : player not respecting the rule will be banned for next fights.

- A "distributor" : One trustworthy and neutral player like lightface is to be choosen before the fight to receive all the drops and control the distribution of the drops after the fight. Right after the drops, he must receive all the drops. (NB : If a player is disconnected after receiving a drop and the end of the fight and off for hours, the drop will have to be rolled anyway later and given to the one who distributed the drops earlier.)

No players can go right away after the figh : They must wait the drop distribution. Right away the drops will be diced at the tower leystone. It wont take long, we are talking of 4 drops. Obviously if a player is disconnected, decency will recquire to wait for him at least 5 minutes.

Silence is recquired during distribution : if not the case, with 16 players it will be hard to see the roll of dices. The player in charge of the distribution will talk, and distribute item by items (the one in charge of the distribution must write down who got what on a paper if one player disconnected with a drop) :

IMPORTANT : don’t roll your dices before the items is officially put on dicing by the distributor, if not your roll does not count.

CLASS Drops to be distributed first :

For class drops, players in both groups in same class will roll for the drops. (Of course, if no class player for a class drop, the drop is considered as a non class drop.) E.g. There is one warrior bracelet and three warriors in both groups : the three will roll for the bracelet.

IMPORTANT : one of them can let the two others to roll for this bracelet if not interested... so he can have a chance to get another non class item. In anycase all class items must go to class players concerned, except if ALL the class players wants them to be considered as non class items to get other chances at other drops.

NON CLASS Drops : all is entittled to dice for them except the player or players who ALREADY got a class drop.

Groups Config :

For the first fight, I propose the following dream teams :

Main group for Agg :
DPS : kam / lep / wytt / Higo
TANK : Shad, Rick,
HEAL : Toy, Lightface

Second support group :
DPS : Ak, Sertain
TANK : Sam, Daft, Jaaaaa
HEAL : Heal, Sarge, Lady B

Out of groups : Lep’s druid, s007 and kona

i'm just thinking how many idols i expect to be using Near the 100 mark? Just want to come prepared.

I think it's fair to say the dice thing for if one person gets a drop that is not for their main class, have the others roll for it.

For information about the status
Were you able to instruct, the specs of hope, I will survive.
I plan allocation status of......
health:3500-4000?
str:100
dex:All remaining points
(Equipment including corrections)

After 1, aggro's attack type, and whether the whole attack as well?
The same as the sunscale, attack range (such as the breath)?

Great organisation! This is what Lugh needs

I wish you all the best for the fight on the 1st; good luck! May Aggragoth be humiliated on that day.

First, thank you for this organization. Hoping i can both make my level by then and stay awake (3 am - ouch) lol

i just want to clarify something - all players roll for the drop (say class drop first) - does the highest pick the class drop he wants, then the next highest picks class drop from what's left? or is there a separate roll for each drop (but only those who have not gotten drop yet get to roll) with the highest getting that drop?

I kinda like the first method (everyone rolls at most twice - class drop roll and general drop roll) - highest getting the drop they want, but it is up to you.

I second the nomination of Lightface as the holder.

I like that we are working together and distributing drops in a significantly fairer and common sense manner. Perhaps that is because i am simply not very rich

Thank you again for your efforts Shadow.

another thought:
should we consider how to distribute the groups in such a way that certain people are tasked with adds so that others can focus on agg? There are probably other considerations like this that, if worked out ahead of time, will reduce the chaos (like the use or non-use of bolas, which druid should use embrace on which tank, etc.) so that we maximize efficiency.

looking forward to it!

I'm planning to use a book of alt on Lightface towards full group support (goodbye dps! temporarily). Between now and the big day I'm going to be asking in forums for advice on a proper dragon battle support druid build (here's lookin' at you Teaweasel) but that will be a separate thread.

As for drops, I will collect them from all players. Rolling for drops will be open to all group members who participated in the fight. If a drop is class specific, all players of that class who want it, can roll for it. If a drop is not class specific, all players who did not win a drop can roll for it. Example:

Groups are as outlined in Shadow's post above. Say Aggragoth drops 3 items (does he drop 3 or 4?): rogue offhand, warrior weapon, all class bracelet. Everyone fast travels back to the tower for distribution since there's no aggro and few noobs to interfere. People trade the items to Lightface. Then the rolling begins.

Rogue Offhand
Lep and Higo can roll for this. Shadow can opt to roll here for his rogue but if he gets it he can't roll for anything else. Higo looks at the offhand and decides he doesn't want it because he already has something better. Lep and Shadow roll, and Shadow wins. Lightface gives Shadow the item.

Warrior Weapon
Rick, Sam, Daft, Jaaaaaa roll for the warrior weapon. Shadow can't roll because he got the rogue drop. Jaaaaaa wins it. Lightface gives Jaaaaaa the item.

All Class Bracelet
Everyone except for Shadow and Jaaaaaa can roll for this. Note that people playing multiple toons for the battle only get one roll. So I get one roll, Kaonashi gets none. Leprechaun can roll because he didn't get the rogue offhand, but his druid can't roll. Kamanshi wins the roll so Lightface gives him the item and wishes all the druids and rangers better luck on drops next time.

Fundamentally, we're looking to ensure that:

• drops get distributed in a way that is fair and class appropriate
• any given player, regardless of the number of toons they have in the fight, only gets one drop
• players win drops for their main toon that they brought to the fight
• at this point we are looking to outfit our mains so we can do this more often, not so we can have a fully equipped alt
• we recognize that everyone in the fight has made a contribution, and that without cooperation nobody gets any of these fantastic drops
• distributing these powerful loots in a level- and class-appropriate way makes it easier for us to get better loot more quickly in the future

Two further points for discussion

1. Items that have a level restriction
I haven't seen any of the Aggragoth loot yet, but I believe some of it is level restricted, and that some items have minimum of level 150. I think we should limit the rolling on these items to those people who meet the minimum level, and possibly those who are within 5 levels of being able to use them. Again, there's no point in a level 130 warrior getting a weapon that they can't use for 30 levels when someone in the group can use it today. If we get a level 150 druid item, I see no problem in letting all druids roll on it since we're all pretty far from being able to use them.

2. Reselling your Aggragoth drops
I think we should have a "participant" price for loots that you win but won't use and want to resell. If you plan to resell the item, it should be offered to anyone in the group for a set price. I'm going to suggest 20k. Only after you've confirmed that there are no buyers within the group should you offer it for sale outside the group. Let's go back to my example above where Kamanshi wins the all class bracelet. Well, he already has a couple of pretty sweet bracelets that he uses all the time, and this dragon bracelet doesn't suit his play style. He declares this, and Wytt and Leprechaun want to buy it. Since there are two people who want it, they dice for it and the winner (Leprechaun due to his luck) pays Kamanshi 20k and gets the bracelet.

@ sam : If like you propose, we only dice for the drops that not class-related to a player when he gets it, it would mean for example, that a warrior who would receive a warrior ring in the main group would keeps it.

But what about the warriors in the second group ? May I remind pusssyo that groups are made of 8 players not 16, so if we want all warriors from both groups to have a chance to win this warrior ring, we need to roll for all items, class related or non class related.

@ ak : We are talking about 4 rings, all given to the distributor, lightface for instance. My idea is for light to proceed for example like this :

"OK first drop : we have a mage ring of dragon fire, after i say roll, please kam, sertain roll your dices" winner kam
"second drop : we have a druid ring of life, after i say roll, please toy, lady, heal, vlad and myself included roll your dices" winner lightface
"third drop : we have a non class trident of hell, after I say roll, please all except me and kam roll your dices. Winner lep
"fourth drop : we have a non class ring of life, after I say roll, please all except me, kam and let roll your dices.. Winner daft
After a while people will know, and non need to speak too much :

"mage ring of dragon fire, ROLL !" then mages roll
"druid ring of life, ROLL ! Then all druid roll
"non class trident of hell, all roll except kam, light
"non class ring of life, all roll execpt kam, light and lep

It need to be done fast, but clean.

@ sam : If like you propose, we only dice for the drops that not class-related to a player when he gets it, it would mean for example, that a warrior who would receive a warrior ring in the main group would keeps it.

But what about the warriors in the second group ? May I remind pusssyo that groups are made of 8 players not 16, so if we want all warriors from both groups to have a chance to win this warrior ring, we need to roll for all items, class related or non class related.

@ ak : We are talking about 4 rings, all given to the distributor, lightface for instance. My idea is for light to proceed for example like this :

"OK first drop : we have a mage ring of dragon fire, after i say roll, please kam, sertain roll your dices" winner kam
"second drop : we have a druid ring of life, after i say roll, please toy, lady, heal, vlad and myself included roll your dices" winner lightface
"third drop : we have a non class trident of hell, after I say roll, please all except me and kam roll your dices. Winner lep
"fourth drop : we have a non class ring of life, after I say roll, please all except me, kam and let roll your dices.. Winner daft
After a while people will know, and non need to speak too much :

"mage ring of dragon fire, ROLL !" then mages roll
"druid ring of life, ROLL ! Then all druid roll
"non class trident of hell, all roll except kam, light
"non class ring of life, all roll execpt kam, light and lep

It need to be done fast, but clean.

Apologies for the long post. When it comes time to distribute the loot, I expect it will go faster than it takes to read that micro novel. And Shadow, it looks like we were both writing at the same time.

As for other people we might want to invite:
More druids: Lukov, Castiglioni, Eggshenx (haven't seen him on much lately though). All are level 100+
As of this writing Spam is level 130. He might be able to tank the crowd control group. Last night he tanked Grommak the Stonelord and I think we only used 5 idols total, and some of those were just from me putting my druids in the wrong place. Spam did a great job on aggro control, and I think our dps only got targeted once in the whole fight.

I expect we will have a lot of onlookers at our first fight. We will have to decide at the outset who is going to be eligible for loot.

thank you shadow, that makes sense. And thanks Lightface for spelling out the example so clearly. And yes, SPAM would make a great tank here and be a great asset.

i am also wondering if the group make up should be a bit different - just something to consider.

3 main aggrogath tanks with 5 druids to keep them alive - one group
heavy dps (rogues and rangers and mages) with few druids - second group

this arrangement assumes that the tanks can get and keep the aggro. if this guy is all over the place, or chases bola ranger, then the original plan is the best. Perhaps a recon should be done to see what the range of AoE attacks are (so we can place rangers, mages, and druids) and whether it is safe to be behind him.

Looking forward to it!