Celtic Heroes

So apparently people have issues with my clan or the people in it. Enough that quite a ruckus has been started on forums, yet nobody has ever thought to mention any of it to me and try to resolve anything. Save one person mentioning one thing, after the post popped up.

So here I am, officially saying come at me I'm willing to hear all complaints about things this clan or I have done that cause such a problem. Let me know, talk about it with me, and we'll get it fixed, so some drama can disappear from Lugh.

Drop a PM on forums, mail me in game if you'd like me to find a time to talk to you, or just whisper me when I'm hanging around waiting for bosses to spawn. I'll get back to you if messages are left.

Heli,

One of you clannies was involved in selling a camo charm that was scammed from Ginger.

The clannie bought the camo for 1 million gold and was trying to resale for 1.7 million. Still cheap, but hot merchandise goes for a discount. Fortunately, Azz learned about the camo on the market and assumed correctly that it had been stolen. He bought the camo for 1.4m to keep it from being lost and planed to return it to the proper owner. I am happy to report that Azz was able to get the stolen camo charm back to Ginger.

Your clannie claims he didn’t know the camo was scammed until after he resold it. This seems implausible but let’s assume this is true. How did your clannie respond to the situation?

A) Take the money and run
B) Refund 400k so Azz takes a 1m gold loss but your clannie breaks even
C) Immediately refund the full purchase price to Azz thus taking responsibility for his mistake.

Your clannie decided to take the money and run. However, after a lot of public pressure (and whining on his part) he went with option B and refunded 400k. As the situation stands now, our Good Samaritan stands to lose 1m gold for doing the right thing and your clannie losses nothing except his reputation. Personally, I value my reputation more than 1m gold and would have gone for option C.

I am certainly not trying to tell you how to run your clan, but I strongly urge you to convince your clannie to give Azz the remaining 1m gold in an attempt to salvage his reputation. Failing that, you may consider reimbursing Azz as a clan. This will not help your clannie but would be very good PR for your clan.

Note to readers: The goal of this post is to right a wrong. Please do not name and shame the clannie or bash the Elixir clan. There are a lot of good people in Elixir and please don’t condemn a whole clan for the actions of one member. It is also possible that this was an honest mistake made by a naïve player.

Shouldn't gin be the one to repay azz? It was their own fault for letting themselves get scammed. You should only trust yourself in a virtual world. Gin's mistake caused this all. Im not saying Clannie is not at fault for being in the middle of the transaction, someone else could have bought and it may never had gotten returned.

Heli,

One of you clannies was involved in selling a camo charm that was scammed from Ginger.

The clannie bought the camo for 1 million gold and was trying to resale for 1.7 million. Still cheap, but hot merchandise goes for a discount. Fortunately, Azz learned about the camo on the market and assumed correctly that it had been stolen. He bought the camo for 1.4m to keep it from being lost and planed to return it to the proper owner. I am happy to report that Azz was able to get the stolen camo charm back to Ginger.

Your clannie claims he didn’t know the camo was scammed until after he resold it. This seems implausible but let’s assume this is true. How did your clannie respond to the situation?

A) Take the money and run
B) Refund 400k so Azz takes a 1m gold loss but your clannie breaks even
C) Immediately refund the full purchase price to Azz thus taking responsibility for his mistake.

Your clannie decided to take the money and run. However, after a lot of public pressure (and whining on his part) he went with option B and refunded 400k. As the situation stands now, our Good Samaritan stands to lose 1m gold for doing the right thing and your clannie losses nothing except his reputation. Personally, I value my reputation more than 1m gold and would have gone for option C.

I am certainly not trying to tell you how to run your clan, but I strongly urge you to convince your clannie to give Azz the remaining 1m gold in an attempt to salvage his reputation. Failing that, you may consider reimbursing Azz as a clan. This will not help your clannie but would be very good PR for your clan.

Note to readers: The goal of this post is to right a wrong. Please do not name and shame the clannie or bash the Elixir clan. There are a lot of good people in Elixir and please don’t condemn a whole clan for the actions of one member. It is also possible that this was an honest mistake made by a naïve player.

My clannie didn't scam the charm. He didn't get it free. He already gave the profit to Azz. If he gave another 1 million to Azz, then wouldn't my clannie be the one that is out 1 million and not Azz? You said yourself that he paid 1 million for the charm...

My clannie didn't have to do anything. He was not the one who was scammed and he gave the profits back already. I actually would have thought that it would have been fairer if he had only gave back half, after all, he didn't actually do anything wrong, since he didn't know about the charm. And after all of the public shaming, instead of discussing things in private, he probably deserved it for his trouble.

If you guys want to make things right with Azz, then all of your clannies should chip in 50K each and make things right with him. Unless I am missing something, our clan has already done our part.

The continued name calling by ppl is bordering on harassment now, and by picking on this clannie of ours, you guys are calling us all out.

Shouldn't gin be the one to repay azz? It was their own fault for letting themselves get scammed. You should only trust yourself in a virtual world. Gin's mistake caused this all. Im not saying Neek is not at fault for being in the middle of the transaction, someone else could have bought and it may never had gotten returned.

Sure, blaming the victim is one approach. I was offering a solution that will begin repairing the reputation of your clannie. Right now, he is being called a scammer and reimbursing Azz could help prove that he isn't.

My clannie didn't scam the charm. He didn't get it free. He already gave the profit to Azz. If he gave another 1 million to Azz, then wouldn't my clannie be the one that is out 1 million and not Azz? You said yourself that he paid 1 million for the charm...

I agree your clannie didn't scam the charm. However, he made the mistake of purchasing an obviously stolen item. Who should pay for this mistake? The person who made the mistake or the person who tried to correct the mistake?

My clannie didn't have to do anything. He was not the one who was scammed and he gave the profits back already. I actually would have thought that it would have been fairer if he had only gave back half, after all, he didn't actually do anything wrong, since he didn't know about the charm. And after all of the public shaming, instead of discussing things in private, he probably deserved it for his trouble.

I disagree. Your clannie had an ethical responsibility to correct his mistake. I tried to convince him to return his profits as a minimum response in private. Public pressure was the only thing that persuaded him to refrain from profiting from his mistake.

If you guys want to make things right with Azz, then all of your clannies should chip in 50K each and make things right with him.

Done.

Unless I am missing something, our clan has already done our part.

Wow! Just wow!

The continued name calling by ppl is bordering on harassment now, and by picking on this clannie of ours, you guys are calling us all out.

I agree, the name calling should stop. As for "calling you out", please review my note to readers above. Hopefully, it is clear that that was not the intent of my post. I look forward to hearing Heli's position on the matter.

I'm busy today and this is only on my phone, I'll rea and respond to this all later . . . I can't take the time at the moment.

However, he made the mistake of purchasing an obviously stolen item. Who should pay for this mistake? The person who made the mistake or the person who tried to correct the mistake?

Obvious to who? Your whole argument, weak as it is, rests with the idea that he knew it was stolen.

Anyway, what if Azz had bought it directly from the scammer? Wouldn't he still be out the 1 million gold?

Someone had to buy it from the scammer to get it back to the rightful person.

Unless you are trying to imply that our clannie is the one that scammed it originally, then it makes no sense that he should take the full fall for this.

Or if he hadn't bought it and no one else did, it could have been sitting in the scammer's bank for a long time or waiting for a transfer to another world.

As for "calling you out", please review my note to readers above. Hopefully, it is clear that that was not the intent of my post.

Like Toy's post about our clan before, just saying that doesn't make it so...

I agree your clannie didn't scam the charm.

If you agree on that point, people chipped in so that Azz didn't take the full 1 million hit, our clannie gave back the profit he got, and the original player got his charm back, then why are you guys still creating so much drama over this?


-The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intents may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.

'Dont give out your items and you can never get scammed' something like that, quote from admin.

Anyways why blame the person who bought the charm and sold it? It all didnt happen if gin didnt make the mistake to gove out the charm. Not defending/attacking people, looking to the facts..

What a joke this is! Your friend gets scammed and the person who buys the scammed charm should take the hit? perhaps he didnt know it was scammed and even if he did its not a big deal. as long as he was not in on the scam its fine. but it sounds to me like you are trying to SCAM the holder of the charm to give the charm for free. that would never happen with me. in my opinion this guy was basically scammed out of 400k.

if someone gets scammed its their own fault. a high level should know better. this is the harsh truth. get over it, and dont punish the innocent buyer for buying it. why dont you track down the scammer and get his money back? you wont because you cant. can never stop scammers. play the game and stop trying to police the world.....