Celtic Heroes

It has not been quite clear. So i will ask a straight forward question, requiring a "yes" or "no".
Will mages have dps greater than a warrior or ranger in update 3?

By this, i mean that if you were to order the classes in order of dps, will mages go up at least one rank?

I have played with every class, and this is the order of dps.
1.Rogue
2.Warrior (with FULL dps setup)
3.Ranger
4.Mage
5.Druid

I am not saying rogues should move down, i am simply asking that mages take 2nd or 3rd place.

Mages need to be number 1 DPS since they have the worst armor of all classes besides druids. Druids have best healing so Mages should have best DPS. At least when they have the right setup. For instance a Mage with a lot of focus should have more dps then a rogue sneaky attack or at least one hit higher.

I agree that mages should top the list, and not just because I am one, because it makes sense.

That being said, I am not certain Admin will be able to answer SirBlaze's question yet, based on where we are in the testing.

I agree that mages should be moved up but I dont think they should be able to out dps a rogue

what is your reasoning behind mages not being able to out dps a rogue? besides that you are one. I have a lvl 96mage and a lvl 90 rogue btw. My rogue can out dps my mage by far. Its not even close. It is also way harder to lvl a mage and lvl a mage ice ability so therefor mages should have a stonger attack. Also, in order to be a real effective mage you will need to spend plat on sigils etc and lux rejuv items. Yet another reason mages should be more powerful.

I hear everyone saying Mage should be #1 DPS.. I hear people saying Rogues should be #1 DPS... Anyone that has a high level Mage will say Mage.. Anyone that has a high level rogue will say rogue.

Now, as i've just stated.. I am a rogue, and I believe Rogues should be #1 DPS.. Why? Because rogues only have 1 reason... To do damage. Yes, Mage has very week armour. BUT, Mage also has Energy shield, They can take a substantial amount of damage, before any HP comes off. Aswell as that, they have Cloak of Fire.

My main point is.. A Mage can be used as a support class. A rogue can't. There is no doubt that Mages are hugely underpowered and need to be upgraded, but that doesn't meen they have to be the BEST DPS aswell as be a support class. If this was to happen.. What would be the use in Rogues? They can't support, and there not as good DPS as mages..

Now here is a situation that happened to me a few days ago. I was in Stonevale on my level 57 Ranger.. 3 White wisps started ganging up on me at the same time.. 2 Marshlights (2*) and a Whitespark (3*). I had NO chance against these.. I'd be lucky to kill 1 before I died. Then a high level Mage came over and casted Cloak of Fire on me.. I Just about managed to take out all 3 without any heals.

Now.. If it was a Rogue that came over to help.. I might have got a Poison Weapon and 1 Bandage wounds casted on me before I died.

Now abaccam, your post is Hypocritical as well as invalid. Mages are rarer than Rogues and i bet your one of the few high levelled mages on your server. What is your reason for needing Sigils? They don't work in combat. As for Rejuv items, using the Item Shop is the lazy way and every class needs, not just mages.
Now, what Is YOUR reason for mages being greater DPSers than rogues, other than YOU are one?

As I said, there is no doubt mages are underpowered and need boosting up, but to say they should be greater DPSers than Rogues is a bit too far IMHO, main letter being O, Opinion, everyone is entitled to one

.................... *waiting for the hating comments to come rolling in*

I hear everyone saying Mage should be #1 DPS.. I hear people saying Rogues should be #1 DPS... Anyone that has a high level Mage will say Mage.. Anyone that has a high level rogue will say rogue.

Now, as i've just stated.. I am a rogue, and I believe Rogues should be #1 DPS.. Why? Because rogues only have 1 reason... To do damage. Yes, Mage has very week armour. BUT, Mage also has Energy shield, They can take a substantial amount of damage, before any HP comes off. Aswell as that, they have Cloak of Fire.

My main point is.. A Mage can be used as a support class. A rogue can't. There is no doubt that Mages are hugely underpowered and need to be upgraded, but that doesn't meen they have to be the BEST DPS aswell as be a support class. If this was to happen.. What would be the use in Rogues? They can't support, and there not as good DPS as mages..

Now here is a situation that happened to me a few days ago. I was in Stonevale on my level 57 Ranger.. 3 White wisps started ganging up on me at the same time.. 2 Marshlights (2*) and a Whitespark (3*). I had NO chance against these.. I'd be lucky to kill 1 before I died. Then a high level Mage came over and casted Cloak of Fire on me.. I Just about managed to take out all 3 without any heals.

Now.. If it was a Rogue that came over to help.. I might have got a Poison Weapon and 1 Bandage wounds casted on me before I died.

Now abaccam, your post is Hypocritical as well as invalid. Mages are rarer than Rogues and i bet your one of the few high levelled mages on your server. What is your reason for needing Sigils? They don't work in combat. As for Rejuv items, using the Item Shop is the lazy way and every class needs, not just mages.
Now, what Is YOUR reason for mages being greater DPSers than rogues, other than YOU are one?

As I said, there is no doubt mages are underpowered and need boosting up, but to say they should be greater DPSers than Rogues is a bit too far IMHO, main letter being O, Opinion, everyone is entitled to one

.................... *waiting for the hating comments to come rolling in*

I am a high leveled Mage. I DON'T think mages should be #1 DPS. I think they should be #2 or #3

I hear everyone saying Mage should be #1 DPS.. I hear people saying Rogues should be #1 DPS... Anyone that has a high level Mage will say Mage.. Anyone that has a high level rogue will say rogue.

Now, as i've just stated.. I am a rogue, and I believe Rogues should be #1 DPS.. Why? Because rogues only have 1 reason... To do damage. Yes, Mage has very week armour. BUT, Mage also has Energy shield, They can take a substantial amount of damage, before any HP comes off. Aswell as that, they have Cloak of Fire.

My main point is.. A Mage can be used as a support class. A rogue can't. There is no doubt that Mages are hugely underpowered and need to be upgraded, but that doesn't meen they have to be the BEST DPS aswell as be a support class. If this was to happen.. What would be the use in Rogues? They can't support, and there not as good DPS as mages..

Now here is a situation that happened to me a few days ago. I was in Stonevale on my level 57 Ranger.. 3 White wisps started ganging up on me at the same time.. 2 Marshlights (2*) and a Whitespark (3*). I had NO chance against these.. I'd be lucky to kill 1 before I died. Then a high level Mage came over and casted Cloak of Fire on me.. I Just about managed to take out all 3 without any heals.

Now.. If it was a Rogue that came over to help.. I might have got a Poison Weapon and 1 Bandage wounds casted on me before I died.

Now abaccam, your post is Hypocritical as well as invalid. Mages are rarer than Rogues and i bet your one of the few high levelled mages on your server. What is your reason for needing Sigils? They don't work in combat. As for Rejuv items, using the Item Shop is the lazy way and every class needs, not just mages.
Now, what Is YOUR reason for mages being greater DPSers than rogues, other than YOU are one?

As I said, there is no doubt mages are underpowered and need boosting up, but to say they should be greater DPSers than Rogues is a bit too far IMHO, main letter being O, Opinion, everyone is entitled to one

.................... *waiting for the hating comments to come rolling in*

I agree with most of this... But I think warrior and Mage should be the same... Or close to the same dps... With rogue having the most, and ranger not too far behind warrior/Mage.

And Druids should be immune to all damage. And have giant flaming totems at lvl one... And be able to fly... And get free heroic amulets at lvl 82... And... I dunno I'm out of stupid ridiculous ideas...

Oh! And have some sort of spell that makes all the mobs on stonevale attack a ksing warrior/rogue with no cool down time.
Now I'm done

In response to Savaged1982,

As I stated I have a Mage and a Rogue. Both of which are a higher lvl than you and know how to play both. My main piont is no one will want to play a mage because of being just the support role and never having being in a group in boss fights. People will just want to use mages but not group them and they will not be valuable for the end game player. For a class that is so hard to develope it is not fair. i undestand sigils don't work during combat but they do when you do not use auto attack so you just stand there and take a pounding. Therefore, you need sigils. You also need sigils because you will run out of mana during boss fights because if you are truely a great mage you will use all your skills(need to buy more skill buttons) and ice shards take so much mana(but don't deal any damage near that of a rogue). This is even when you have the best lux items on your neck and off.
Now on my rogue I never run out of mana and do not need any sigils. Also, it is very easy to lvl. Way easier to develope and not deserving to be the highest dps class in the game. I love my rogue but just think it is not fair from how the dev set it up and it will put an end to a class(mage) that should be way more important. Also, it will ultimately put and end to people supporting this game like me from buying plat because you don't need it for rogues to be important to the game. Things like this need to be looked at or people will stop playing because it will put a sour taste in peoples mouths. It already has mine.

I previously stated that Mages should top the list because it makes sense. I didn't expand on my point of view earlier, but probably should now.

I know there will be people who disagree for various reasons, and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing.

Looking at Mage versus Rogue.....

Rogues want to be #1. Rogues have higher armor. So with Rogues at #1 DPS spot, they take less damage and do more damage. In a group setting, Rogues also have a skill that lets them lessen agro, thus taking even less damage. Once a Mage has agro they have 4 options.
1. Pray the Warrior taunts agro off of them.
2. Become the tank and start potting.
3. Use a Res Idol.
4. Res at the Leystone.
But Mages have Energy Shield you say, and they don’t take damage. For Energy Shield to be effective, you have to have a ton of energy, which means you have very low health. Basically our energy becomes our health, and we do take a lot of damage, you just don’t see it because you can’t see the energy bar. Did you know that maxed out Energy Shield just means you take the same damage to energy that you would take to health? Anything lower than maxed and you actually take more damage. Also, once your energy is gone, so is the buff. The only thing you have left is a few hundred points of health. Also, bear in mind, you get 6 points of health for each point you put in vitality, and only 3 points of energy for each point in focus. Not to mention, Rogues who have a good rejuv don’t need any points in focus to chain cast skills without running out of energy.

So here is where we are at now in my post. Rogues take less damage, do more damage, can avoid agro and have more health.

But Mages have the advantage of acting as a support class also, and Rogues do not. This is simply not true. Rogues can be just as much support in a group as a Mage can. Yes, Cloak of Fire rocks, but Poison Weapon can be just as effective a buff for a tank to have. Both increase the group DPS. But Mages have Energy Well and Energy Boost. True, but who cares. They are so pointless I don’t even use them on myself. I have never once had a request for anyone in a group for either of these buffs. Energy Boost does not last long enough to be effective, and the cool down is twice as long as the buff duration. Not to mention rejuvs have made it obsolete. Energy Well is pointless because casters worth their salt already have enough energy, and non-casters, again, can chain cast skills with 5 focus and a decent rejuv.

Right now on my server, the highest skill hit is a Rogue with over 1700. I am second highest Mage with a little over 860. Keep in mind the Rogue and I are only 3 levels apart. I won’t even get into the fact that Rouges also do high melee damage, and Mages do none.

Basically, to balance the classes, it just makes sense that Mages are the highest DPS. Throw us a bone here. A Rogue that is 96 does almost 1000 more points in a single skill hit than a maxed out Mage at 93. All we have for damage are skill hits.