Celtic Heroes

Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.

I find it pathetic how whenever somebody disagrees with you you feel the need to go straight to discrediting their word by calling them butthurt rogue etc. If rangers want equal dps then rogues need a ton of buffs. They need to have throwing knives. They also need to be able to heal others. Oh and they gotta be able to kite mobs with bolas and slow down their attack speed. Hide would need to be buffed to work in combat. They would need another damage boosting skill as well.

It is true they are a butthurt and a selfish rogue if they downplay this thread. This thread clearly shows all the statistics needed and is unbiased as it comes because arjun has a rogue and ranger at the same level.

I find it weird that you have never played a ranger and say statements like these. I have played a level 190 rogue and currently play my level 200 ranger and the way rogues beat rangers in every criteria is saddening and bad for the game.

There needs to be a balance already. Rogues are the best class to play right now, and no one is choosing other classes because of this.

As I have stated time and time again Yakat, to make a general comment about class balance, you MUST take into considerations all aspects of the game.

Yes, we stand out of AOE's on most raids, but what about PVP and PvE? Bolas misses a ton-load by the way and no it doesn't make us invincible. It only delays our death because we are still not able to dish out the necessary damage to kill the incoming mob.

I'm PvP there are definitely issues regarding the ranger class. In PvE(you described PvE as leveling and farming) bolas doesn't miss as much right? I know the evasions on endgame bosses suck but I thought normal mobs weren't too bad? I know lots of 190+ rangers who love how great they are at farming. For solo leveling due to ranger's having less than desirable dps they tend to not get as much xp as rogues or mages. I do know that when I leveled I loved rangers for the fact they dealt decent damage while buffing my dps and healing me. Way less plat used and the xp was always pretty good. I know mid levels for rangers are real annoying. At low levels the skills actually are good(I have a nub ranger) but that changes as you progress. Once DL comes about your autos become way better and you get good skill bonuses. In between low levels and DL is where there are problems leveling because of the tightly packed rooms making bolas and long shot not so great. Rangers do have camo though and from what I've heard that helps a ton in packed rooms(I haven't leveled a ranger so high so I wouldn't know for sure).

Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.

I find it pathetic how whenever somebody disagrees with you you feel the need to go straight to discrediting their word by calling them butthurt rogue etc. If rangers want equal dps then rogues need a ton of buffs. They need to have throwing knives. They also need to be able to heal others. Oh and they gotta be able to kite mobs with bolas and slow down their attack speed. Hide would need to be buffed to work in combat. They would need another damage boosting skill as well.

You seriously need to play a ranger before stating theoretical gameplay rather than factual gameplay.

I listed a couple things rangers have that rogues don't. How is that not factual?

As I have stated time and time again Yakat, to make a general comment about class balance, you MUST take into considerations all aspects of the game.

Yes, we stand out of AOE's on most raids, but what about PVP and PvE? Bolas misses a ton-load by the way and no it doesn't make us invincible. It only delays our death because we are still not able to dish out the necessary damage to kill the incoming mob.

I'm PvP there are definitely issues regarding the ranger class. In PvE(you described PvE as leveling and farming) bolas doesn't miss as much right? I know the evasions on endgame bosses suck but I thought normal mobs weren't too bad? I know lots of 190+ rangers who love how great they are at farming. For solo leveling due to ranger's having less than desirable dps they tend to not get as much xp as rogues or mages. I do know that when I leveled I loved rangers for the fact they dealt decent damage while buffing my dps and healing me. Way less plat used and the xp was always pretty good. I know mid levels for rangers are real annoying. At low levels the skills actually are good(I have a nub ranger) but that changes as you progress. Once DL comes about your autos become way better and you get good skill bonuses. In between low levels and DL is where there are problems leveling because of the tightly packed rooms making bolas and long shot not so great. Rangers do have camo though and from what I've heard that helps a ton in packed rooms(I haven't leveled a ranger so high so I wouldn't know for sure).

I have a real challenge for you Yakat. Level your ranger all the way up to 190 without offgroup help. Then post on forums why rangers are the most balanced class.

The amount of work in this post is incredible these are the type of people that get ahead in life I applaud you. I agree rangers need to be changed up.

I don't know who this Yakat guy is but it sounds like he thinks he's a know it all.

Yakat, here is a statement I made not too long ago about normal gameplay, leveling and farming (PvE):

I want to drive home a point about survivability.

It may be true that rangers evade boss AOE's and rogues can't and that will only be more evident once the idol change goes into effect but people seem to forget that apart from bossing, this game revolves around farming and levelling.
I have played the rogue and the ranger class extensively, and I can tell you that my rogue survives an enemy (i.e wyrm) equally if not better than my ranger. With a maxed fast reflexes and a dexterity build, not only does he evade a heck load of autoes, but he dishes out more damage than my STR based ranger. Yes, my ranger has bolas but once the enemy gets to me, i have seconds to finish him off before I'm dead meat. On my rogue, I rarely hit the resto button while I frequently do on my ranger.

One last point. Take trolls for example. Both my rogue and my ranger get hit by the AOE and my rogue is able to survive and deal most of the damage.

If you can't see the blatant problems rangers have, then please continue on your path of darkness but please don't spout out class role fulfillement without first talking about class role balance

As I have stated time and time again Yakat, to make a general comment about class balance, you MUST take into considerations all aspects of the game.

Yes, we stand out of AOE's on most raids, but what about PVP and PvE? Bolas misses a ton-load by the way and no it doesn't make us invincible. It only delays our death because we are still not able to dish out the necessary damage to kill the incoming mob.

I'm PvP there are definitely issues regarding the ranger class. In PvE(you described PvE as leveling and farming) bolas doesn't miss as much right? I know the evasions on endgame bosses suck but I thought normal mobs weren't too bad? I know lots of 190+ rangers who love how great they are at farming. For solo leveling due to ranger's having less than desirable dps they tend to not get as much xp as rogues or mages. I do know that when I leveled I loved rangers for the fact they dealt decent damage while buffing my dps and healing me. Way less plat used and the xp was always pretty good. I know mid levels for rangers are real annoying. At low levels the skills actually are good(I have a nub ranger) but that changes as you progress. Once DL comes about your autos become way better and you get good skill bonuses. In between low levels and DL is where there are problems leveling because of the tightly packed rooms making bolas and long shot not so great. Rangers do have camo though and from what I've heard that helps a ton in packed rooms(I haven't leveled a ranger so high so I wouldn't know for sure).

So you think rangers levelling with bolas, light heal and camo are lixing efficiently? That leaves how many dmg skills? Your arguments are foolish especially considering how you say there must be a trade off when rogues can spec for survivability (more so than rangers) AND have better dps while levelling. It is for these reasons everyone cant take your ranger suggestions seriously, your posts clearly show you have no experience with them

im all for a re-evaluation of each individual class so that a majority of players aren't switched over to rogues which in the future may not want to be the class they want...

Entangle doesn't change animation speed whatsoever. It just cuts the attack speed in ½ of the mob entangled. This is especially useful if short on druids or if you're a spear ranger. It may seem it has no effect but has been proven to work. Entangle plus lightheal makes a spear Ranger awesome

Regarding evasion, it's labeled as movement attack evasion. I think it should be changed to weakening attack evasion as its a debuff rather than a movement skill like bolas or roots. Movement evasion is high on raid bosses to make ss evade way more often and so people just don't root kill mordris or whomever they want. Anyone could rootkill mordris with enough Rangers and druids if they really wanted.

A spear ranger gives up ranged combat and actually does less dmg than his bow wielding counterpart. There is no point making a spear ranger when a spear rogue is vastly superior.

I beg to differ a ranger on my server has been using a mord soear, he does far more dmg with his spear than his bow. Yet again his spear is a void str and poison halberd