Celtic Heroes

It takes time, to make a loyal group.

And a lot effort, its normal the ppl will leave after they grow up to certain point, you are running a lerning clan is normal the all players grow to be greedy they need upgrades and gold.

Like i said 1 on 4 players you help grow stays in the game . Keep up you good work the road is hard but in the end when you see all those players to help be stronger then you is rewarding .

Thanks for the encouragement but it is not a learning clan, it is an end-game clan.

see this:
http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticher ... 11&t=19626

To summarize, no one cares about morals. All will sell-out in an instant.

They will grow tired of disciplining people, they will grow tired of not bieng in a high level clan, they will grow tired of bieng in a free and open clan and desire exclusivity.


No one actually cares.

I applaud efforts of people like you who create groups whose primary objective is to help people. But I think you are looking for it in the wrong environment. This is a game. Players download this app so they can experience all the content it offers. It just natural that players, as they get higher in levels, would want to improve their characters, get uber armor and weapons. After all, that's what RPGs are about. Make your avatar the best it can be. That's not being selfish, and to call them people who left your clan for more lucrative opportunities as such, isn't justified.

If you want to help the members your clan, then provide them with an environment where they can be happy in the game. You need to provide everyone the opportunity for growth. It's the same in real life. You can be head of a non profit charity organization that does wonderful things to others but if you don't make it worth anyone's time to be part of the organization, you will likely have no long term volunteers or members.

Now you say your clan isn't a starter clan, but and end game clan. Clearly your members didn't feel that way if they all left. Or they didn't simply share your ideals.

see this:
http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticher ... 11&t=19626

To summarize, no one cares about morals. All will sell-out in an instant.

They will grow tired of disciplining people, they will grow tired of not bieng in a high level clan, they will grow tired of bieng in a free and open clan and desire exclusivity.


No one actually cares.

I applaud efforts of people like you who create groups whose primary objective is to help people. But I think you are looking for it in the wrong environment. This is a game. Players download this app so they can experience all the content it offers. It just natural that players, as they get higher in levels, would want to improve their characters, get uber armor and weapons. After all, that's what RPGs are about. Make your avatar the best it can be. That's not being selfish, and to call them people who left your clan for more lucrative opportunities as such, isn't justified.

If you want to help the members your clan, then provide them with an environment where they can be happy in the game. You need to provide everyone the opportunity for growth. It's the same in real life. You can be head of a non profit charity organization that does wonderful things to others but if you don't make it worth anyone's time to be part of the organization, you will likely have no long term volunteers or members.

Now you say your clan isn't a starter clan, but and end game clan. Clearly your members didn't feel that way if they all left. Or they didn't simply share your ideals.

We all want the best gear and stuff me included. I have pretty decent gear and I'm lvl 126. Its just people that leave get impatient. They get impatient that there are no extreme high levels and that some people cause trouble. But I have given them the ranking to discipline them but they don't I guess. I definatly have strict discipline where appropriate when things come to my attention.

Ya I'm just looking for people that have the same ideals as me and have patience really.

Everyother clan is run as a socialistic dictatorship or monarchy so that is the main reason I was forced to make this clan. It is capitalistic but generous. I am just sad that doesn't mean anything to anyone else it seems.

Everyone just doesn't want the same kind of clan. You bash on the dictatorship style but members leave yours or them because they gear quicker in them, they mist be doing something right.

I totally dig what you're doing for new players; however, I agree with guffy about the post being uncalled for.
Sounds almost as if you are berating others for not behaving as you do.

I help new players when I feel like it, but it is exhausting. To be honest, I became very discouraged from helping new players a while back. Back when AFK was still around and I was waking up to a full inventory of crappy weapons/armor (crappy for high levels) every morning, I would make it a point to rid myself of as much as I could via handing it out free on the beach. 98% of the time I was met with "thanks for the sword, can I have some free gold too?" like the homeless dude that you just gave a dollar to says "that's it?"

Not a single person whom I helped (quest completion, free items, free gold, explanations of game mechanics) is around today. Many of them weren't even around in the days following my encounter with them. Essentially, all the hours I spent handing out free stuff, or holding somebody's hand through the quest line was wasted. Not because I expected something in return but because they didn't even actually play.
I'm all for helping new players, it is important for this game to maintain a healthy population of new players and we bleed a ton of them just by the initial difficulty of this game. I still try to help where I can though I don't spend nearly as much time or effort as I used to on it.
Irregardless of the aforementioned, I don't think it's cool to publicly denounce anyone who doesn't choose to help. I say this because, by nature, I'm an extremely helpful/patient person but I got tired of it and I can understand anyone else who may have grown tired of it. I am glad that there are players like you who take time to help others; however, the post is a bit uncalled for and seems to be the pinnacle of your frustrations taken out on the entire games community (the forum users anyway) you could have said the exact same thing with more tact and you would likely have actually garnered community support. As it stands now, it's more likely that you've alienated yourself and shifted focus away from the actual issue which is helping others and not ranting about how we aren't "selfless" or of good morals.

Meh... The last bit on my previous post may have been a little over the top. I apologize if it seems abrasive (especially considering I was ranting about tact) we're all a bit hypocritical deep down =) it's late

I want to be clear that I think you're doing a good thing for the game and my forum etiquette rant should not detract from what you've accomplished.

Thanks tyrant, it is a bit of a rant myself just over the fact that it seems I give and get nothing.

however it is obvious there are people on the server that agree with me my problem is keeping them. I think I figured out what the problem is and the solution.

http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticher ... 54#p132654

Its not what your clan can do for you but what you can do for your clan.
Personally I'm not anybodys babysitter nor do I ever want to be. I solo play 90% of the time and will most likely be level 100 by the weekend, and I have never relied on anyone to get me to where I am or with what I own. However, I am probably one of my clans top donaters. Litterally every boss drop goes to the clan. I donate almost all of my other drops and such to the clan, things like fettles, pages, rings, binders, gear that I've outgrown, etc...I belive players need to stand on their own two feet, but at the same time I know the group is stronger than the individual. Think of this in terms of a military. I think the best clan is one where all the players are individually strong and mature and yet even stronger together. The worst clan is one of selfishness, immiturity and mooching, where every other shout is from someone screaming about how much help they need or how they need you to give them your gold or items, or how its virtually impossible to level on their own, etc..

Everyone just doesn't want the same kind of clan. You bash on the dictatorship style but members leave yours or them because they gear quicker in them, they mist be doing something right.

Well most of them don't last. Once powerful people start voicing that they don't agree how certain gear was distributed, it can crumble in an instant. Obviously they could have a set gearing policy, but again, if the generals or chief doesn't have much time because something comes up in real life (rl) and everyone is still forced to give drops to clan, it can bust quickly as well.

My method subverts all that.

So while it may be slower to grow at this point, I think it will overtake those in the end since they are on boom/bust cycles.

This thread, and the linked thread, doesn't make sense.