Celtic Heroes

This was put in place because people were taking advantage of a glitch in the game . There was a glitch that allowed a dead person on an elixer to keep the elixer active FOREVER while collecting xp from group kills, this fix of not granting xp to the dead party member was at the time said to be the quickest resolution , either admin or community said so .

I see no reason to change it back , I agree with donko (believe it or not) if you are dead you do not deserve xp .

if you are dead you do not deserve xp .

I agree completely that if you dont contribute to a boss or mob whatsoever, you deserve nothing. but if worked hard throughout the boss/mob, and did your fair share of dmg/tanking/healing/whatever, you deserve just as much as everybody else in the group, whether you die at the very end or not.

This does not seem like an urgent need to me. It sounds like you had a bad day.

Maybe tomorrow will help.

There was an actually been a patch so you wouldn't veg xp when your dead even though it's annoying sometimes it's fair

I dont mind not getting xp when dead... Its frustrating sometimes, but I have had so many fights where someone "plays" dead, not contributing, that i will suffer the occasional loss of XP.

I have noticed that you still get gold. I am uncertain about drops.

But, the rest of the group does only get the same xp as if you were there. To be fair, i think it should be recalculated. When the total XP awarded is less than the XP a solo player would have gotten, it's punishing the survivors.

(And to be fair, the OP may not be one of those ppl who lies dead, making his team do the work... DPS rogues get agro easily over any team member that isnt actively trying to keep agro. With idol cooldown times, it's very easy to be dead as your mob/boss/victim dies.)

Scenario 1:

You're levelling your Druid on some Wyverns. someone without a camo dragged excess Wyverns over. As you heal them, the Wyverns jump you.. You idol, heal again, the Wyverns jump you again, you die.. 20 second delay, during this delay, 3 Wyverns go down (because people are hitting different ones and not sticking to the same). Your Druid gains no XP although it was not your fault that you died?

IMO, that Druid deserves XP.

Scenario 2:

You're levelling in a group and a lot of idols are being used. 1 player sits on the ground dead for over 30 seconds either pretending that theirs an idol timer or being afk or whatever. Whilst you're levelling you're so focused on doing your role that you don't want to have to regroup or whatever.

This is the problem to me and I'm sure others. I think it would be cool if each group could have a 'captain' or 'leader'. Where it shows who's in the group in the top left corner of your screen, could have a little star next to the leader. This leader should have the option to change leader, set who can invite members to the group and also boot people from the group.

The above solution would help a lot for not only levelling groups, but bossing groups too. I don't mind helping a newer player out on starspell, but I don't expect them to run into the boss, die from 1 hit, then expect to lay on the fight for the WHOLE fight, whilst we tank, heal and kill it for em. No idols? Run back!!

I don't think xp is really involved in boss running, because they give next to no xp anyway. However, I think it's wrong that the rest of the group still gets XP and Gold taken for the person that's dead, but the person that's dead doesn't recieve it either. Also, the person that's dead shouldn't have a shot at drop either.

Honestly though, I think the person that's dead should gain xp if they've died within 30-35 seconds of the kill. This way it ensures that they are not just lying on the ground to gain xp, but is also fair if they die just before the kill (not that they should be dying anyway, but refer to Scenario1).

I believe it should stay the same for the reason those who fake being dead shouldnt get xp and those who have bad luck and get hits with a quake right before the mob dies and dies as a result this doesnt happen often enough to cause more problems then those who lay dead.

As Eliminator mentioned, this was a Band-Aid solution put in place. OTM has said that it should be fixed with the next Update. The problem was because elixir timers ceased to function.

All of the scenarios mentioned are valid... As a Druid I do die fast and can't idol from time to time... but all of the scenarios are written from the perspective of honest players. You can't think like that. If you want to understand why this glitch was exploitable, you have to think like a cheater.

(sidenote: I have spent many years as a teacher, so I have to think like a cheater from time to time to keep my students in check )

It is not about someone faking dead during a fight. Regroups will happen, and the player would be blacklisted. The reason this was a problem was as follows:

A few chaps with less scruples than yourselves could power level each other in sequence. The three go to a high concentration area. Chap A takes an SK lix, chews a Death Cap, and is dead. Chaps B and C kill like crazy. Chap A's elixir didn't expire after 15 mins and keeps running on, continuing to gain 4x exp. He lies dead for an hour, gets up and still has 15 minutes of 4x exp. Rinse and repeat with the other members.

Of course, it was most likely done with people who double device. Two people with two devices each could power their alts... who were lying dead the whole time... and all for the cost of a couple elixirs, rather than the many elixirs that it should have taken.

That is why it was a problem... not because a few people could fake dead for 30 seconds. It was because people could power level for hours off of 20 to 40 plat.

I do hope it is fixed to return the timer, and give exp to all members... because yes, we have all died at the wrong time, when we contributed to 99% of the fight... Rogues, especially.

Scenario 1:

You're levelling your Druid on some Wyverns. someone without a camo dragged excess Wyverns over. As you heal them, the Wyverns jump you.. You idol, heal again, the Wyverns jump you again, you die.. 20 second delay, during this delay, 3 Wyverns go down (because people are hitting different ones and not sticking to the same). Your Druid gains no XP although it was not your fault that you died?

IMO, that Druid deserves XP.

I want to level with your group. Dropping 3 Wyrens in the 20 seconds is nice xp.

Scenario 1:

You're levelling your Druid on some Wyverns. someone without a camo dragged excess Wyverns over. As you heal them, the Wyverns jump you.. You idol, heal again, the Wyverns jump you again, you die.. 20 second delay, during this delay, 3 Wyverns go down (because people are hitting different ones and not sticking to the same). Your Druid gains no XP although it was not your fault that you died?

IMO, that Druid deserves XP.

I want to level with your group. Dropping 3 Wyrens in the 20 seconds is nice xp.

(because people are hitting different ones and not sticking to the same).