Celtic Heroes

What baffles me the most is your statement that I am biased and "mind-boggling". I clearly state the comparing factors I am using for each chart and explain my reasoning. I also explicitly say that I am comparing the average high-end rogue/ranger. Giving me 1 exception does not make me wrong.

It's because the rouges like to tell everyone how much they suck because they don't want to get nerfed I mostly agree with everything you say in the original post. rangers need strength skills, and a viable spear build. Also, dex skills need to be looked at and balanced so they are more useful.

^^ I have used lifesteal extensively. I've actually written a full dex DPS rogue guide before. I was a full support rogue and loved it. Had gead to make it hit the 2000's. But with endgame when you have full gear it becomes obsolete dps-wise. Only 1-2 rogues in my clan use rend because it doesn't stack. We do have a ranger whos recently switched to barbed because it lands more often than autos and the dot's make up for the cast time

• For PvP, it was dex rogue vs. strength ranger.
• For raids, it was strength rogue vs. strength ranger.

Most of your graphs are all biased. Rangers have skewer and double attack too, don't count it as a dps skill for
Rogues and not rangers.

Defenseive spikes is the same exact thing as riposte except riposte is short and lots of damage while spikes is low damage over long time to a whole group. It's the same classification of skill so leaving it out just points to your own bias as well

Your opinions of barbed shot and sharp shot are also ridiculously biased. There's been a ranger experimenting with them in our clan and they're not as bad as they seem to be. Barbed almost always lands, whereas autos tend to miss. Sharpshot can hit crazy amounts, with the correct gear I've seen 5k dmg sharpshots.

You yourself said at the beginning to assume haste is not included with any of our analyzing, yet it was analyzed with rapid shot that haste would be used in its usefulness.

Your judging of the skills usefulness really mindboggles me though. You say assassinate is 4/5 useful when only a good 20% of rogues on my server use it. Shadowstrike is useless on mordris 200 and Necro, so that it obviously not a 5. Lifesteal is great from poison damage, it heals, but again it had a low amount of damage and you would do more autoing than casting. Also is useless on Necro and 200. Rend cannot stack so only 1 rogue can use it endgame.

Many rogues skills are based on weapon speed, which is variable to the highest degree. Slower the weapon, the slower the cast time lost on sneaky.

The thing is, you're taking all the rogues skills and throwing them in a perfect world alone by themselves, as if no other rogues existed. 1 on 1 fully geared rogue vs a fully geared ranger a rogue would win. 8 v 8 rogue and ranger Rangers would win in the long term. Dl rondels skills do not stack. Rangers offhand skills are linear with usability.

Take a look at the upcoming idol nerf and tell me how awesome rogues are while trying to kill hrungnir or any boss with an Aoe. Rangers win easily. They stand back and don't have to worry about a thing while rogues have to spam pots or build to survive than just dps

Just a side note, who the hell bolases a raid boss? Noone bolases hrung mordris Necro or aggy, so why even bring it up that bolas missed a lot on raid bosses if it's irrelevant?

^^ I have used lifesteal extensively. I've actually written a full dex DPS rogue guide before. I was a full support rogue and loved it. Had gead to make it hit the 2000's. But with endgame when you have full gear it becomes obsolete dps-wise. Only 1-2 rogues in my clan use rend because it doesn't stack. We do have a ranger whos recently switched to barbed because it lands more often than autos and the dot's make up for the cast time

That's why I only took it into consideration for PvP and PvE/levelling. My rogue, who is level 196, leveled on wyrms with a dex build and i rocked fast reflexes, poison weapon, quick strike, shadow strike and life steal and I never hit the restoration pot button.

Keep in mind the categories I set up for each comparison.

• For PvP, it was dex rogue vs. strength ranger.
• For raids, it was strength rogue vs. strength ranger.

Rogues also get a dominant energy bonus from dl while rangers get more health instead. It depends on the gear you're using honestly if you think you can keep up on energy with a gara set hrung braces and dl offhand you're going the wrong way. As a ranger I use pots for energy a lot..

This is the most biased thing ive ever seen on forums, who honestly wants all classes to be equal?? Yall compare all classes to rogues.