Celtic Heroes

If u duel lvl 60 noobs who dont understand pvp its no wonder. A lvl 60 druid, mage and rogue can beat that warrior with proper strategy, and Im sure a ranger too. Its mostly matter of gear.
A ranger can go with spear and shield, using entangle to drastically drop ur attack speed, use double attack, bolas u, and move to bow.

It isn't just 60s I fight. He kills up to 150s. I'm certain though that a 60 of another class wouldn't be able to defeat him, due to the advantages warriors have.

With your ranger example I noticed a few flaws.

1. If you use a spear and a shield you'll have to switch to a bow AND a quiver, meaning you'll slow yourself down to switch.

2. Entangle slows speed yes, but you need to waste quite a bit of points, and on top of that double attack, shatter, and skewer cast fast, so it won't really hurt those much. It also will not slow rupture dot. So it is not a godly skill, and it will not half your damage taken.

3. Using double attack will need more points if you want it to work effectively, and being close to a warrior is not recommended as a ranger. It seems unneeded to use a spear as a ranger in pvp.

4. Bolas doesn't work that long in pvp, and if the warrior gets close as long as he starts the skill he can finish it, no matter where you are.

Additional note, that rangers have worse armor, and no armor reduction skill like a warrior shatter.

As another example, if 60 seems too low, here is my 100 warrior(incomplete though), buffed with his 150 str brace and pro stance. He's got a freeze mount, and regularly beats lv 160-200s.

Sorry but dueling using a mount is just silly.

My druid at lvl 60 could beat warriors and mages at lvl up to 120. Does this mean a druid is the best pvp class? Not at all.

You built a warrior for the sole purpose of pvp. That means your gear and stats are for pvp. This is totally different than your typical player that is not pvp minded and in the castle hanging out.

Any toon that builds it's skill, stats, and gear specifically for pvp can best a much higher lvl class that isn't pvp minded

The freeze from a mount gives you time to wind up your combo, and takes battle time away from your opponent. This is especially useful on casters to interrupt their skills on them.

Also, nowhere did I say I purely fought level/boss build people. I've fought my fair share of pvp players, and the only people close to my level who gave me problems were warriors.

A properly geared warrior can beat any class. It's not a matter of opinion, warriors are just better for dueling.

The freeze from a mount gives you time to wind up your combo, and takes battle time away from your opponent. This is especially useful on casters to interrupt their skills on them.

Also, nowhere did I say I purely fought level/boss build people. I've fought my fair share of pvp players, and the only people close to my level who gave me problems were warriors.

A properly geared warrior can beat any class. It's not a matter of opinion, warriors are just better for dueling.

I understand why you use the mount. I still think it's silly. If youre gonna duel then use your skills. Also keep in mind you have millions to spend and access to gear a lot won't. So let me ask this, who will win, 2 toons lvl 100. One of them has 10 mil to spend on any gear they want and has a freeze mount and the other player has a lux neck with some level 100 event boss drops and some OW skill rings. It's a no contest, the duel will go to the class that has the best gear.

Now take all 5 classes and each has access to the best gear for pvp and is specifically skilled against the class they are dueling and at lvl 200. Do you still say warrior always wins?

Now take all 5 classes and each has access to the best gear for pvp and is specifically skilled against the class they are dueling and at lvl 200. Do you still say warrior always wins?

The warrior would win. A warrior can counter every class, and is hard to counter itself.

The best helmet for countering classes is the 500 resist bear helms, which give 500 ''armor'' to one damage type. There is no poison bear helm, but if thats an issue(druids maybe), there is a charm that gives 500 poison resist

Its generally easy to pick the correct helm, because this is how it works:

Rogues mainly deal pierce damage, with small poison(ss)

Rangers mainly deal pierce also.

Druids mainly deal magic, and some poison aswell(swarm)

Mages can deal fire or cold, but its easy to predict it by their gear and attune.

But warriors... They can use pierce slash or crush.

As a warrior you have the choice of damage types, to use to your advantage. So even if a druid wards crush damage, you can just switch to slash(axe). Even if a druid casts all the wards and bark at max level you can still hurt them with rupture dot, as it does the same damage, no matter your armor or resists.

Counters:

Mages can be countered pretty hard with a 500 resist bear helm and 500 resist natan charm of their element, making their damage drop severely.

Druids can be countered with a 500 magic resist helm and 500 poison resist charm. Poison resist puts a hole in their best warrior killer skill, and will make them pretty weak.

Rogues and rangers, they have no choice and are stuck to pierce mainhands for damage, use that against them, with the 500 pierce bear helm.

Warriors, if they keep swaping itd be hard to counter, but if you did, the damage would go down, however rupture dot would not, still chopping health away.

Too bad I dont have gold and toon on Lugh to easily prove u wrong. Like u fight on the mount, any other class can do that too. Whos faster? Most likely the other class and not warrior overall. Switching to bow and quiver is that hard? Already shows me ur weak, I swap all the time, 2 weapons 2 rings 2 braces in very short time per fight.
Full vit ranger using gear like u, will easily counter u, because he'll take all ur starter hits (and can easily use an ammy with shield), bolas u, create range, and every single time bolas is about to end he'll simply run away on a mount until he bolases u again, while ur out of ur freeze ability, and he will heal all the dmg u have done to him by that time (dont try to heal with sigils, ranger can use even lvl 1 barbed to counter that and stay in range).

Mage? Can double freeze u, and completely destroy u with gear swap (use lvl 60 somewhat resist gear, he'll simply use rings to boost his lure high when ur frozen and have enough time to swap back to other gear, attack u and freeze u again to heal if hes dmged).

Druid? Freeze mount, root u, vines and swarm, and run around freely as much as u wish.

Rogue? Will use gear to counter u, has tons of poison dmg which bypasses all the resists u have, and has play dead working with sigils.

Now take all 5 classes and each has access to the best gear for pvp and is specifically skilled against the class they are dueling and at lvl 200. Do you still say warrior always wins?

The warrior would win. A warrior can counter every class, and is hard to counter itself.

The best helmet for countering classes is the 500 resist bear helms, which give 500 ''armor'' to one damage type. There is no poison bear helm, but if thats an issue(druids maybe), there is a charm that gives 500 poison resist

Its generally easy to pick the correct helm, because this is how it works:

Rogues mainly deal pierce damage, with small poison(ss)

Rangers mainly deal pierce also.

Druids mainly deal magic, and some poison aswell(swarm)

Mages can deal fire or cold, but its easy to predict it by their gear and attune.

But warriors... They can use pierce slash or crush.

As a warrior you have the choice of damage types, to use to your advantage. So even if a druid wards crush damage, you can just switch to slash(axe). Even if a druid casts all the wards and bark at max level you can still hurt them with rupture dot, as it does the same damage, no matter your armor or resists.

Counters:

Mages can be countered pretty hard with a 500 resist bear helm and 500 resist natan charm of their element, making their damage drop severely.

Druids can be countered with a 500 magic resist helm and 500 poison resist charm. Poison resist puts a hole in their best warrior killer skill, and will make them pretty weak.

Rogues and rangers, they have no choice and are stuck to pierce mainhands for damage, use that against them, with the 500 pierce bear helm.

Warriors, if they keep swaping itd be hard to counter, but if you did, the damage would go down, however rupture dot would not, still chopping health away.

We have a total of 6 natan charms on my server and all of them are cold resist. There's like 2 bear helms that I've seen running around. I guess on your server you have a bunch of these.

So you're throwing gear out that most don't have and very few will have on android.

What amazes me is you don't ever seem to think you're wrong.

What if a warrior is dueling a druid and this druid has a bear and natan charm that counters the Warriors weapons dmg and has ward up against slash or crush or pierce but the warrior doesn't have any if those things to counter a druids dmg types. And what if the druid has 16k health and the warrior only has 10k health and the warrior gets rooted whole taking vines and swarm and strike and then his shatter is evaded and then gets rooted again. And then the druid jumps on his sweet freeze mount, etc. Are you still going to tell me the warrior is going to win.

My stance still remains, any class properly set up for pvp against another class has a chance to win the duel. It doesn't always automatically go to the warrior.

you just said the toons have access to the best pvp gear and now your countering furyion by saying nobody has that stuff, that quite a big juxtaposition of your stance.
i dont usually agree with furyion and i dont agree with his claims of the warrior but he has every right to say hard to get gear when you say "best pvp gear"

Too bad I dont have gold and toon on Lugh to easily prove u wrong. Like u fight on the mount, any other class can do that too. Whos faster? Most likely the other class and not warrior overall. Switching to bow and quiver is that hard? Already shows me ur weak, I swap all the time, 2 weapons 2 rings 2 braces in very short time per fight.

I swap too, as a hammer and spear user in pvp. But I only swap main hands, and any lag will hurt you badly. With 2 swaps you physically slow yourself down, as you have to press the two before you are able to skill.

Full vit ranger using gear like u, will easily counter u, because he'll take all ur starter hits (and can easily use an ammy with shield), bolas u, create range, and every single time bolas is about to end he'll simply run away on a mount until he bolases u again, while ur out of ur freeze ability, and he will heal all the dmg u have done to him by that time (dont try to heal with sigils, ranger can use even lvl 1 barbed to counter that and stay in range).

Rangers have worse armor then warriors, and will be shattered by the warrior, further reducing it. Warriors have better armor to start, and can buff their armor. The ranger would take a lot more damage then you are leading on.

Also, bolas lasts a shorter duration in duels, and as said if a warrior starts casting he can finish it wherever. Another thing, it's not like warriors have no defense to it. We have skewer which is melee ranged yes, but it actually does damage while rooting you, and it has a extra fast cast time, and it cools down quick.

Mage? Can double freeze u, and completely destroy u with gear swap (use lvl 60 somewhat resist gear, he'll simply use rings to boost his lure high when ur frozen and have enough time to swap back to other gear, attack u and freeze u again to heal if hes dmged).

Are you talking about lvl 60? If so it's impossible to double freeze because freeze mounts are lvl 100. The normal freezes time is also reduced in duration, so it would be harder to get the rings on and off in time. Also, my lv 60 warrior alone has 500+ resist ice/fire, it is easy to overresist a mage lure. Additionally, since the normal freeze time is lower, the cooldown seems longer then the already long cooldown.

Druid? Freeze mount, root u, vines and swarm, and run around freely as much as u wish.

They can't run if they are frozen or skewered Also, I'd stack poison resist and magic resist, they wouldn't do much damage at all, because of their lack of a lure-type skill.

Rogue? Will use gear to counter u, has tons of poison dmg which bypasses all the resists u have, and has play dead working with sigils.

Poison does NOT bypass all resists. Poison resistance is rare to come across but it exists(100 braces and 500 charms). Rupture DOES bypass all resists, as it can hurt even necro spirit adds.

Also on the point on sigil healing.

This thread is mainly about duels, which you cannot sigil in(you are forced ''in combat'' stance)

In the arena however you can, but keep in mind most situations where you can sigil, they could sigil. Yes dots stop sigiling, but warriors have rupture to give a dot too.

If we are going on the topic of arena dueling though, it should be noted how heroic combos benefit warriors the greatest of any class, as they are the least likely to hit the speed cap, and have great armor and hp from gear that would multiply, as well as travel speed to destroy runners quicker.

Druid and ranger dont need sigils to heal. Also, u said up to lvl 150.

Even a single freeze can do the job.
If ur talking about the best gear available, it is easier for some classes to resist physical dmg rather than elemental, due having both armour and direct resist items, as well as defence if u rather. Also, mage can use e shield.
If u stack poison resist it'll be much less than pierce resist wouldnt it? So the poison would have the upper hand, wouldnt it?
If u go against a swapper that uses pierce resist (for example a rogue using shield of mountain + resist items), he could stack a lot of resist, u would need either high armour or high pierce resist while he would have both, and to stack both pierce and poison (and if magic too then woah), u would need to use different pieces of gear per fight, how much would rings provide u? Wouldnt u use braces for poison, and what would u use for magic and pierce? U would not only need to swap (which lags u and slows u down for some reason), but also the two lux braces u wear will be completely pointless since they dont provide resists.

Shatter or not, every class can beat any other class, and skewer with the speed of 7000+ isnt so fast, not to mention I can tell u how easily an ice mage can decieve u to use fire resist and vice versa.
Regardless if u have two godly poison resist braces or not, lvl 60 rogue has the basic skill lvl (20), can use 4 rings to boost poison wep before the fight (+5+4+3+2, all lvl 60, thats lvl 34 PW), and use ss rings mid fight and whatever other rings u prefer, and play dead, as well as generally very fast burst (and play dead counters shatter). A smart person would also use high hp gear at the start of the fight that is rather crappy overall, take the dmg from ur Rupture, play dead to let the dots tick and then swap to a better pvp gear that provides less or no hp, and its as if hes on his normal pvp gear starting with max hp or close to max, and unlike warrior, rogue skills reload faster, while u left with melees, he'll use riposte (and cool u got skewer, but rogue is in melee range in the first place).

Druid eventually can do lots of swapping before fight for bark, abundance and abundant aura (even if he doesnt max and he prob doesnt max abundant aura, he can use 4 skills rings at lvl 60 to bring it to lvl 15 without any pts in it), he'll already start with higher hp, while u, with all the resist and hp gear, will have almost no attack for him to destroy with his howling wind if he wishes. Druid in any way can survive long enough to eventually root u and run away, and u forgot something, swarm is also unresisted.
Druid not only has bark, but has ward too, and again, with rings, he can swap enough to make whatever skills he wants at lvl 60 to get his skills high enough to be useful (even if all he does is maxing bark, ward, vines and swarm). He can even swap to make embrace 15 to start with it the fight.
Druid can play with his skills in variety of options, resisting, damaging, healing, he'll choose the complete set of skills for himself, as well as his variety of buffs he can literally swap before fight to use any ward he chooses against u, as well as bark, abundance, abundant aura and embrace, using this buffs at not maxed but swapped at start of fight will give him resist to every dmg type u can deal while eventually he uses 4 maxed skills that can be completely different.
Also, druid can do lvl 34 energy harvest, not sure how long will ur energy last, but its enough to interrupt all ur skills while it is casted fast.


Overall, at whatever lvl before end-game, u can use the OP gear and win against some weak poor lvl 100 toons who barely have ancient or flint armour and weapon, let alone offhand. But when someone comes with as OP gear as u, its a matter of who swaps faster to counter the opponent's type of dmg, not what class are u. So yes, its easy to spend millions on low lvl toon to face ppl who barely have gotten 50k in their entire gameplay, but its not as easy to do it at higher lvl, and I assume thats why u will never post ur nonexistent 'lvl 220 pvp warrior', as u will never make one, excusing it by calling urself a merchant who doesnt wanna lvl, while knowing u would simply lose when u no longer have the advantage of OP lux vs plate/darkrun/whatever armour, but they have the advantage of hrung/mordy/necro/proteus/gelebron drops vs whatever lousy gear u will buy from the shop.