Celtic Heroes

Wow I see alot intresting reading. Very cool. Good job iOS. We just killed our first gele without rage. We were 31 toons and killed in 18 min. Amazing. Thanks for sharing guyz

Avalon


12. If you are finishing one set atm, which class set is it and how did you agree on that decision? either mage or rogue. we use our dkp system to rank most active members, excluding warriors

What is a dkp system and do lots of clans use it?

Avalon


12. If you are finishing one set atm, which class set is it and how did you agree on that decision? either mage or rogue. we use our dkp system to rank most active members, excluding warriors

What is a dkp system and do lots of clans use it?

In a dkp system each boss kill awards players x points, for example on arawn in resurgence hrung is 100, mordy 200, necro 300, gele 400. Then drops can either be bought or bid on auction style using dkp. This way drops aren't given bassed off of luck (rolling) in which anyone can stop in at a boss once and never camp/kill through bad drops and walk away with a void/godly, drops are more fairly distributed with a dkp system.
Another way it is fair is that anyone of any rank can bid on a drop, so it's more fair to clan as a whole.
Many clans use it as a result of its overall fairness between players.

Avalon


12. If you are finishing one set atm, which class set is it and how did you agree on that decision? either mage or rogue. we use our dkp system to rank most active members, excluding warriors

What is a dkp system and do lots of clans use it?

In a dkp system each boss kill awards players x points, for example on arawn in resurgence hrung is 100, mordy 200, necro 300, gele 400. Then drops can either be bought or bid on auction style using dkp. This way drops aren't given bassed off of luck (rolling) in which anyone can stop in at a boss once and never camp/kill through bad drops and walk away with a void/godly, drops are more fairly distributed with a dkp system.
Another way it is fair is that anyone of any rank can bid on a drop, so it's more fair to clan as a whole.
Many clans use it as a result of its overall fairness between players.

Not to go off topic, but an auction/bidding system contradicts the purpose of a dkp system. In my opinion, the whole purpose of using a dkp system is to make sure your most active members are properly rewarded compared to less active ones. You also want your most powerful gear to be used by your most active members. Bidding systems have a lot of flaws that allow less active members to win a lot of your powerful items, essentially negating why you're keeping track of attendance in the first place.

What is a dkp system and do lots of clans use it?

In a dkp system each boss kill awards players x points, for example on arawn in resurgence hrung is 100, mordy 200, necro 300, gele 400. Then drops can either be bought or bid on auction style using dkp. This way drops aren't given bassed off of luck (rolling) in which anyone can stop in at a boss once and never camp/kill through bad drops and walk away with a void/godly, drops are more fairly distributed with a dkp system.
Another way it is fair is that anyone of any rank can bid on a drop, so it's more fair to clan as a whole.
Many clans use it as a result of its overall fairness between players.

Not to go off topic, but an auction/bidding system contradicts the purpose of a dkp system. In my opinion, the whole purpose of using a dkp system is to make sure your most active members are properly rewarded compared to less active ones. You also want your most powerful gear to be used by your most active members. Bidding systems have a lot of flaws that allow less active members to win a lot of your powerful items, essentially negating why you're keeping track of attendance in the first place.

How so? If DKP is only building up players that were once active but then stop being active can still get drops, but players that are newer and much much more active have no shot at gear. Bidding allows for newer players to have a shot at gear... Without bidding I would be Arawn's worst EG mage instead of one of the best .
I have seen/heard of some trying a shop like system but I don't see how that would work with newer bosses or high demand gear. Bidding system makes it so that high demand gear goes for what people are willing to pay for it.

What is a dkp system and do lots of clans use it?

In a dkp system each boss kill awards players x points, for example on arawn in resurgence hrung is 100, mordy 200, necro 300, gele 400. Then drops can either be bought or bid on auction style using dkp. This way drops aren't given bassed off of luck (rolling) in which anyone can stop in at a boss once and never camp/kill through bad drops and walk away with a void/godly, drops are more fairly distributed with a dkp system.
Another way it is fair is that anyone of any rank can bid on a drop, so it's more fair to clan as a whole.
Many clans use it as a result of its overall fairness between players.

Not to go off topic, but an auction/bidding system contradicts the purpose of a dkp system. In my opinion, the whole purpose of using a dkp system is to make sure your most active members are properly rewarded compared to less active ones. You also want your most powerful gear to be used by your most active members. Bidding systems have a lot of flaws that allow less active members to win a lot of your powerful items, essentially negating why you're keeping track of attendance in the first place.

Also I don't think that it is off topic. It seems the thread was created to summon guidance on ways to govern gear hand-outs for clan. A discussion over dkp system imo would fall under that goal.

How so? If DKP is only building up players that were once active but then stop being active can still get drops, but players that are newer and much much more active have no shot at gear.

Not if you implement points decay. But that is another topic and I've touched on that subject many times.

Bidding system makes it so that high demand gear goes for what people are willing to pay for it.

Which is really the biggest major flaw. I've seen people here mention (and also in other MMOs I've played in past that used bidding systems), that people would blow all their points on a top tier high demand gear, and even though they're the most active ones, they don't have plenty of items because they spent all their points on one item. Then you also have the issue of point hoarding and people wait for the one good drop then spend all their points to take an item even though others deserve it more or could put it to better use.

that people would blow all their points on a top tier high demand gear, and even though they're the most active ones, they don't have plenty of items because they spent all their points on one item.

I havn't seen this happen much in my clan. If the DKP awarded per boss is high enough spending all your dkp on one item isn't that bad. Our most active players tend to have the most and the best gear even though they have to spend large sums on their gear. The fact that all your DKP could be blown away prevents one rogue from getting a godly blood ring from necro, then a void dagger from gele, and then a void helm from mordy all in one night, rather 3 different people would get the drops. Bidding allows the distribution of drops amongst the clan.

Since EG clans typically have over 50 active people, there are enough active people with similar DKP who you could argue all deserve to have a chance at top tier items. If a build up only system is implemented then the top person would get all 3 drops in the above hypothetical. In the bid system the top 3 most active rogues would get drops instead of just one. If in the build up system Gens intervened to try and "fairly" distribute drops then generals would get to decide instead of the clan as a whole. With the bidding system clansman have as much of a say, with their DKP, as does the chieften.

Without a bid system I would have practically no high-end gear atm, but due to bidding system I was able to actively attend bosses, quickly accumulate DKP, and bid with older members on gear so that I could go from worst to one of the best.

Edit: godly blood ring from gele changed to godly blood ring from necro

If a build up only system is implemented then the top person would get all 3 drops in the above hypothetical.

I don't understand your "build up only system" that would enable one person to win all the top tier items in one night. For one thing, before the last patch, godly/void items are too rare for that to happen.

In the bid system the top 3 most active rogues would get drops instead of just one.

Ideally that's what you want, but bidding, in nature, is unpredictable, that's not a guaranteed scenario. A 4th less active rogue can outbid your top 3 if the top 3 don't want to spend all their points.

In the bid system the top 3 most active rogues would get drops instead of just one.

Ideally that's what you want, but bidding, in nature, is unpredictable, that's not a guaranteed scenario. A 4th less active rogue can outbid your top 3 if the top 3 don't want to spend all their points.

This way each can pay what they are willing to pay. For the 4th rogue the drop may mean more so it will pay all of its DKP, as for the 3rd rogue it may not mean that much so it will pay less. This way the drops go for not only activity but how much it will help the toons (need and wants play in).
For example suppose a mage has an imperial necral ring of burial (+90 foc dex 900 firemagic), another has a royal (+80/800) and another has a mighty (+60/600). All are relativly active, the mage with the imperial is the most active but the mage with the royal is fairly active, the mage with the mighty joined only a month and a half ago and is just as active as the royal mage. The mage with the imperial has 36k dkp, royal has 25k, and mighty guy has 12k. Because the boost for the imperial guy is only 10/100 it is not worth that much dkp to him. Even though he could easily outbid the others and win the ring he won't want to spend that much to claim it. For the royal mage the buff is pretty decent so he will most likely be willing to spend a good amount. The mighty mage is as you can guess prepared to go all in for the ring. Because of this the Royal mage ends up getting the ring for 10k DKP. He is just barely under the activity of the imperial mage so there is no protest, yet because the imperial mage already has the tier below he isn't willing to spend over 1/3 his dkp on the drop.
Thus it is fair overall because the drop isn't just going to an active member but to the member that it best helps. Bidding allows for needs/wants to play into the system for drop handouts.

Edit: messed up quoting sorry lol, forum nub