Celtic Heroes

Precisely.

Any non plat player can still play Druid. You just need more patience. Meditate bandage etc. all exist for a reason and are there for you to use. A maxed meditiate can easily recoup. 50+ per tick at low level.

At low level, as I said 50-, these can be ok to use. Over that they become increasingly useless. Stupid people shell out 100k for fashion or first event items that will be worthless in days. I've seen non plat buyng nubs do this over and over. Smart people instead buy sigil crates. Gold wise they are very cheap regen, don't take up any slots, and are permenant!

For druids - buy sigils first and the cheapest energy regen items first. Then the better regen items. This should be before any armor, weapons, rings, etc.

On my world sigil crates are 10k - u get 5 sigils - so 2k each. By that a heroic ammy equivalent is only 80k (20 health and 20 energy regen). 2k each is cheap enough no one has the excuse they are too expensive.

Precisely.

Any non plat player can still play Druid. You just need more patience. Meditate bandage etc. all exist for a reason and are there for you to use. A maxed meditiate can easily recoup. 50+ per tick at low level.

At low level, as I said 50-, these can be ok to use. Over that they become increasingly useless. Stupid people shell out 100k for fashion or first event items that will be worthless in days. I've seen non plat buyng nubs do this over and over. Smart people instead buy sigil crates. Gold wise they are very cheap regen, don't take up any slots, and are permenant!

For druids - buy sigils first and the cheapest energy regen items first. Then the better regen items. This should be before any armor, weapons, rings, etc.

On my world sigil crates are 10k - u get 5 sigils - so 2k each. By that a heroic ammy equivalent is only 80k (20 health and 20 energy regen). 2k each is cheap enough no one has the excuse they are too expensive.

Yes I agree with your statement on sigles.

Many people are so impatient as to they complain about energy costs when if they took a 30 second break their sigles would recoup. Them.

Boost / sacri s a waste of points , i need points in real skills for more dmg (its how i play , i m not all the mages lol)

That is such a massive noob thing to say, I think from that we can see that you are not a team player.
Mages have one of the best mana regen spells in game and you don't want to equip it?
I hope next time you are in a boss fight the Druids tell you that they can't heal as they want to do damage.


Noob

As far as end game goes definetly druids. Mages at least have decent energy management skills like boost and sacrifice. All druids have are energy harvest and meditate which are complete crap for a high level druid, even maxed.

If your unhappy with energy costs don't max skills. Instead, spread them, or use the almighty MEDITIATE.

MEDITIATE is your friend ppl, use it!

Lol! Just lol! Nice troll.

Meditate DOES NOT work in combat anymore just like sigils. It hogs points from a class with the most skills and where every point counts. No toon over lvl 50 should even have meditate equipped much less points in it.

Not maxing skills = fail. Having many crappy skills is nowhere near as effective as a few maxed ones.

The only real solution is to buy top end lux but that starts to fail around lvl 150-170 as energy needs surpass the best regen items. Sigils help but are expensive in either direct by plat or indirect through opening chests and trading. Many just build for short battles only and fail at long ones.

That would be an issue if ur the kind of guy who wants to simply mow all the mobs down without breaks. CH is not a dungeon running rushing game like Pocket Legends, you actually NEED TO TAKE BREAKS every few mobs, so if you are annoyed by the constant breaks, be prepared to spend alot of plat.

Meditate, along with other energy regen skills such as eboost and sacri and energy harvest, are there for a reason. non platters will need to put pts in these if they are solo players who hates grp lvling (which is actually the most effective lvling tech for non platters) or they want to avoid the tavern inconvenience (which is an issue when you need to run ALL THE WAY back to ur lvling ground in big maps). Of course, you will find ppl and guides that say how meditate is a crappy skill. These ppl are mostly platters who have adequate lux/sigil regen. If you are looking forward into playing this game for free YOU WILL NEED MEDITATE to get you going, despite the "dps decrease" stated by many players (with most being platters) because without energy you will have nothing but ur auto atk, which sucks.

Same goes for recuperate and bandage, most players who say how they are usually platters with sufficient health sigils/regen or a druid to tag along. If you are a nonplatter looking forward into solo lvling and hates the inconvenience of going to tavern. YOU WILL NEED THESE SKILLS.

Everything you said does hold true for lower level druids... But this is complete nonsense as far as higher level/endgame druids go. If someone looks at playing in the endgame as a druid I, as an endgame druid, will tell you that meditate and energy harvest are absolute $#|7 for an end game druid. Energy Harvest and Meditate will not be enough to help you as much as this poster thinks. A level 49/50 energy harvest absorbs 850 energy while costing 250 energy to cast gaining you only 600 energy with a 30 second cooldown... Yea thats totally worth 40 skill points and gear slots.

Given the cost of our skills its nowhere near possible to keep up our energy with harvest. Oh yeah there's meditate! Are you serious? I dont know what the total energy regen of a level 50 meditate is but I do know that with my around 600 energy sigils, its not enough to keep up with any of my possible builds regardless of dps, support, or solo. Yea I can sit around doing nothing during a boss fight or during a lix, which is almost necessary at high levels, so I can get a few ticks from my level 50 meditate or sigils but that denies me of necessary kills on lixes or prevents me from casting bark on a rogue helping him against aoe's. Or casting that big breath to help heal everyone after said big aoe. I'd love to cast embrace to help heal that person but need to let sigils kick in... Or meditate...

Also as far as not maxing skills... Im guessing you've never had to heal through these endgame dragonlord, hrungnir, or mordris fights... Yea, not maxed heals and buffs won't cut it.

Everything you said does hold true for lower level druids... But this is complete nonsense as far as higher level/endgame druids go. If someone looks at playing in the endgame as a druid I, as an endgame druid, will tell you that meditate and energy harvest are absolute $#|7 for an end game druid. Energy Harvest and Meditate will not be enough to help you as much as this poster thinks. A level 49/50 energy harvest absorbs 850 energy while costing 250 energy to cast gaining you only 600 energy with a 30 second cooldown... Yea thats totally worth 40 skill points and gear slots.

Given the cost of our skills its nowhere near possible to keep up our energy with harvest. Oh yeah there's meditate! Are you serious? I dont know what the total energy regen of a level 50 meditate is but I do know that with my around 600 energy sigils, its not enough to keep up with any of my possible builds regardless of dps, support, or solo. Yea I can sit around doing nothing during a boss fight or during a lix, which is almost necessary at high levels, so I can get a few ticks from my level 50 meditate or sigils but that denies me of necessary kills on lixes or prevents me from casting bark on a rogue helping him against aoe's. Or casting that big breath to help heal everyone after said big aoe. I'd love to cast embrace to help heal that person but need to let sigils kick in... Or meditate...

Also as far as not maxing skills... Im guessing you've never had to heal through these endgame dragonlord, hrungnir, or mordris fights... Yea, not maxed heals and buffs won't cut it.

I think you are miss-understanding it.

First of all, I too have played end-game Druid and know all about it. I had 300 sigles, offhand focus, tailsman, and that's was all my regens. How did I manage? Well first of all since I was mostly focus, meditate was actualy worth casting even at level 1. You MINES WELL take it, it's extra regen. But on top of that I used heroic energy lix. Heroic energy lix will solve energy issues easily and cheaply along with some sigles and lux, you don't even need 300 sigles like I had.

I'm sorry but if you're gunna play Druid seriously you gotta be serious with it. Buy sigles in-game if you don't got money for plat. Stock up on energy lix, like rogues do with hastes.

Second, sigles and meditate work out of combat. If your healing THEY STILL WORK as long as your not attacking (you shouldn't be). So while your spending energy your also GAINING it back.

And to conclude, you say energy gaining skills aren't worth the skill points. If you don't got money to spend, YOU HAVE TO USE THEM. OTM provided you with these skills for a reason. It's up to you how you wanna play.

Please also note there are other Druids besides you. You don't need to be the best, one could handle embrace if you require meditate.


I don't think OTM should change much with the classes but rather with the in-game items and lux, as usual I guess.

Hello guys BeAtTz from danu here
1 of my builds req energy shield and freeze both max takes almost 4k energy alone not including other skills thanks

I play both classes atm i have spectral amount of sigs for energy (which wont be said)
both classes are pretty high uses in energy but like someone else have said depends on the skills you are useing

Lol! Just lol! Nice troll.

Meditate DOES NOT work in combat anymore just like sigils. It hogs points from a class with the most skills and where every point counts. No toon over lvl 50 should even have meditate equipped much less points in it.

Not maxing skills = fail. Having many crappy skills is nowhere near as effective as a few maxed ones.

The only real solution is to buy top end lux but that starts to fail around lvl 150-170 as energy needs surpass the best regen items. Sigils help but are expensive in either direct by plat or indirect through opening chests and trading. Many just build for short battles only and fail at long ones.

That would be an issue if ur the kind of guy who wants to simply mow all the mobs down without breaks. CH is not a dungeon running rushing game like Pocket Legends, you actually NEED TO TAKE BREAKS every few mobs, so if you are annoyed by the constant breaks, be prepared to spend alot of plat.

Meditate, along with other energy regen skills such as eboost and sacri and energy harvest, are there for a reason. non platters will need to put pts in these if they are solo players who hates grp lvling (which is actually the most effective lvling tech for non platters) or they want to avoid the tavern inconvenience (which is an issue when you need to run ALL THE WAY back to ur lvling ground in big maps). Of course, you will find ppl and guides that say how meditate is a crappy skill. These ppl are mostly platters who have adequate lux/sigil regen. If you are looking forward into playing this game for free YOU WILL NEED MEDITATE to get you going, despite the "dps decrease" stated by many players (with most being platters) because without energy you will have nothing but ur auto atk, which sucks.

Same goes for recuperate and bandage, most players who say how they are usually platters with sufficient health sigils/regen or a druid to tag along. If you are a nonplatter looking forward into solo lvling and hates the inconvenience of going to tavern. YOU WILL NEED THESE SKILLS.

I am a 'non platter' and these skills are a serious waste. Even maxed they are junk and a waste. Solo leveling with bad gear is a really bad idea also. It's a last resort. No one who is half decent at the game uses any of the skills : energy well, energy harvest, meditate, recuperate, bandage wounds - for general health or energy recovery.

Instead get off ur butt and farm/trade a little for lux items. They only cost gold not plat. Easily doable in a casual way 'free'. Plat items buy indirect with gold from plat buyers. It's simple, easy, done every day.

Marshill of Avalon uses some of these spells. I use meditate. Are you calling us stupid?

Everything you said does hold true for lower level druids... But this is complete nonsense as far as higher level/endgame druids go. If someone looks at playing in the endgame as a druid I, as an endgame druid, will tell you that meditate and energy harvest are absolute $#|7 for an end game druid. Energy Harvest and Meditate will not be enough to help you as much as this poster thinks. A level 49/50 energy harvest absorbs 850 energy while costing 250 energy to cast gaining you only 600 energy with a 30 second cooldown... Yea thats totally worth 40 skill points and gear slots.

Given the cost of our skills its nowhere near possible to keep up our energy with harvest. Oh yeah there's meditate! Are you serious? I dont know what the total energy regen of a level 50 meditate is but I do know that with my around 600 energy sigils, its not enough to keep up with any of my possible builds regardless of dps, support, or solo. Yea I can sit around doing nothing during a boss fight or during a lix, which is almost necessary at high levels, so I can get a few ticks from my level 50 meditate or sigils but that denies me of necessary kills on lixes or prevents me from casting bark on a rogue helping him against aoe's. Or casting that big breath to help heal everyone after said big aoe. I'd love to cast embrace to help heal that person but need to let sigils kick in... Or meditate...

Also as far as not maxing skills... Im guessing you've never had to heal through these endgame dragonlord, hrungnir, or mordris fights... Yea, not maxed heals and buffs won't cut it.

I think you are miss-understanding it.

First of all, I too have played end-game Druid and know all about it. I had 300 sigles, offhand focus, tailsman, and that's was all my regens. How did I manage? Well first of all since I was mostly focus, meditate was actualy worth casting even at level 1. You MINES WELL take it, it's extra regen. But on top of that I used heroic energy lix. Heroic energy lix will solve energy issues easily and cheaply along with some sigles and lux, you don't even need 300 sigles like I had.

I'm sorry but if you're gunna play Druid seriously you gotta be serious with it. Buy sigles in-game if you don't got money for plat. Stock up on energy lix, like rogues do with hastes.

Second, sigles and meditate work out of combat. If your healing THEY STILL WORK as long as your not attacking (you shouldn't be). So while your spending energy your also GAINING it back.

And to conclude, you say energy gaining skills aren't worth the skill points. If you don't got money to spend, YOU HAVE TO USE THEM. OTM provided you with these skills for a reason. It's up to you how you wanna play.

Please also note there are other Druids besides you. You don't need to be the best, one could handle embrace if you require meditate.


I don't think OTM should change much with the classes but rather with the in-game items and lux, as usual I guess.

I had no sigils up until about 2 weeks ago when I got plenty(300) from chests. I have never used meditate in my life after trying it once at 35/35 and seeing it blows. You're lying if you say it's useful even at level 1, that's like what 6 regen OUTSIDE of combat? Just buy a 5 energy regen ring for 15k if you think that tiny amount will help at all(it won't).

Oh and news flash, healing puts you into combat so I'll gladly call BS on your 'I've played end game druid' shpiel

Ps. It's 'Might as well' not 'Mines well'

Marshill of Avalon uses some of these spells. I use meditate. Are you calling us stupid?

Yes - if you use those skills at 100+ you are not even half decent at this game. It's so obvious it's hardly an opinion and more of a fact.

Meditate is extremely worthless and can be functionally replaced for a moderate amount of gold that is a one time purchase cheaper than many lux items. You say it's good lol? I dare you to make less sense.

Unless you are switching builds for a specific boss fight they are all worthless. Even if you are a casual player of 1hr total per week there are much better ways of configuring your character. Simply try it and you will see.

Second, sigles and meditate work out of combat. If your healing THEY STILL WORK as long as your not attacking (you shouldn't be). So while your spending energy your also GAINING it back.

I read everything up to this point. Then I had to check the date of the post to see if this was from 2012. Since it's not, as a high level end game druid you would probably know that healing a person in combat also puts you in combat. OTM changed that about 6 months back. I seem to remember a few people on the forums got upset, some people got their sigils (and it's spelled "sigils" by the way) refunded, and OTM stopped selling sigils in the stores. It was kind of a big deal.

Also, if you are being attacked, you get thrown into combat which causes your sigils and meditate, to not work. Once you hit level 80 or so, pretty much all bosses do this cool new chaos aoe attack. You might not have noticed it though since it was only put in 6 months ago. There was this expansion thing with new areas and stuff. If you haven't noticed those areas yet either you should probably check them out.

Technically, you are right though. Your sigils and meditate work while healing if you are not attacking... and you are not being attacked... and the person you are healing is not attacking either... and the person you are healing is not being attacked... and all of this has not happened in the last tick (5 seconds). Other than that, meditate is definitely the solution to the problems of all druids!