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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#201
PvP ranger is laughable? Clearly you're not from Morrigan... :)
Clearly I'm not in Avalon, and not decked out in the best gear abailable; i.e. Necro weapons/jewelry, Mordris bracers, helms and rings, and Hrung damage rings and bracers, not to mention the new event weapons and Garanak sets.

Comparisons should be done by sampling the average Joe, and not the two extremes.
Druid Guide - Role, Build, Stats and Gear
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#202
listen -.- you can't give rangers the same dps as rogues because then rangers would be op. the reason they don't have the same dps as rogues is they have ranged attacks so it ends up being balanced because rogues have to attack up close and get hit. so rangers may have less dps but they also never get hit.
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#204
If rangers want the same dps as a rogue, then give rogues the option of
-kiting a boss
-Healing others
-the ability to have a ranged attack (throwing knives) and have a similiar dps to that of a dagger
-the ability to half the attack speed of a endgame boss
-the ability to have camo while attacking (fix hide)
-the ability to boost the attack of whole group

And then sure, I wont mind if rangers have the same or more dps of a rogue. I agree that rangers should have similar dps to that of a rogue , but more? No unless rogues support skills are buffed to the equivalent to that of rangers.

Currently, mages should be the class that would get the lock of the boss with nuke damage but overall have less dps than that of a rogue and a ranger.
+1
Danu
Mattsneak Lvl 220* Rogue
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Owner of Danu's Only Shadow Necro Dagger
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#205
Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.
Says the biased ranger lvl 202-.-
I've seen many people with rogues also claiming how broken rangers are compared to rogues. Rangers are currently the most broken class in the game and thats a fact. Skills need to be fixed.
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#207
I've gone almost pure dex as a ranger to utilize Sharp Shot... the results? 70% of the hits were just above average AUTO damage.

The only time I have ever gotten Sharp Shot/Longshot to do "good" damage is when I have my lure mage cast assassin's lure on the mob. The questions isn't about changing stats here and there... it's the skills themselves are really weak.

Currently I have DL hands/helm/boots/pants, lvl 160 bow, 150 quiver, Godly Aggy damage ring, Bladeleaf Comrak set, 1700 auto damage, Mighty Longshot ring +6 to skill, 257 direct damage, a Longshot that the skill says 3700 damage and guess what... I was out DPS'd by a lvl 140 mage on Swamp Lord with just one Grand Firebolt ring from this event.

On paper, my ranger "should" have gotten the kill on the Swamp Lord. I was spamming Longshot/Double shot and Rapid Shot lvl 1 whenever it refreshed... pretty sad if you ask me.

Even with a high dex build, Sharp Shot is still crap and misses a lot. Longshot, that's good for a one to two time hit IF you bola the mob or don't have agro. Barbed Shot even with high dex/rings is the same thing... long cast time, mediocre DoT.

The issue we have as rangers, is that if you go almost full dex to enhance your skills, auto damage suffers huge. Even going almost full dex, the dex based skills still only do mediocre damage.
Read this mattsneak instead of just craftily picking the arguments that suit your side.

We are not advocating for greater damage output than rogues, rather a fix of our skill pool which is currently not supported by either a strength or dexterity build. What is more, the effectiveness of rangers only truly shines with full DL. Before then, we are a pain to level, kill, and play with.

Read the full 19 pages and you'll get where we are coming from!
Druid Guide - Role, Build, Stats and Gear
Rogue Guide - Role, Build, Stats and Gear
Dual-Device Guide - For The Hardcore Players
Dragonlord Armour Revamp - Compilation Thread

Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#209
Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.
Says the biased ranger lvl 202-.-
I've seen many people with rogues also claiming how broken rangers are compared to rogues. Rangers are currently the most broken class in the game and thats a fact. Skills need to be fixed.
Rangers are broken. Too many rogues... we need class diversity. Buff other classes so they are actually liked.

+1 to pigman, defo revamp the skills

I have not played a ranger but its pretty obvious they need a change from what I have heard. Anything promotes class diversity
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