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Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#41
I haven't read all the posts in this topic, but this most recent page disturbs me.

As a 194 ranger main, I have always considered the ranger the perfect mix of every other class.

Granted, ranger can not heal as much as druids, or deal quite as much damage as rouges, or take damage as well as warriors, or even support as well as mages, BUT:
We can do all of it to a degree just below every other class.

We can heal, We can dps, we can sort of take damage (we can take damage better than warriors with bolas- damage taken would be 0), AND we can support.

Rangers are the perfect mix of every class.
Exactly the way i see it! I enjoy playing my ranger
Dementia 220 Ranger of Novalis - Mabon

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#42
I haven't read all the posts in this topic, but this most recent page disturbs me.

As a 194 ranger main, I have always considered the ranger the perfect mix of every other class.

Granted, ranger can not heal as much as druids, or deal quite as much damage as rouges, or take damage as well as warriors, or even support as well as mages, BUT:
We can do all of it to a degree just below every other class.

We can heal, We can dps, we can sort of take damage (we can take damage better than warriors with bolas- damage taken would be 0), AND we can support.

Rangers are the perfect mix of every class.
Exactly the way i see it! I enjoy playing my ranger
Likewise ^^
Clan: WolfGang
Chaz - Level 185+ Ranger - Full DL
Inferno19 - Level 127+ Mage
Sneakystrike - Level 195+ Rogue - Full DL
EpIcHeaLzz - Level 137+ Druid
Tankerzz - Level 127+ Warrior (PvP Beast: Invincible Veteran)

World: Mabon

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#43
I like Ranger for the versatility as well, best decision I ever made was deciding to dual level and dual log a Ranger/Rogue combo. Every class can use a skills overhaul and a strength based skill that has a nice fast cast opposite of what Rogues received last go around with Dex/ShadowStrike would be awesome, but OTM should really try to fix the lesser used skills before they add any more to all the classes. Started out with just a Rogue, added in a Ranger and the higher level the Ranger gets, the more I like using it.
Homeworld: Gwydion
Clan: Relentless

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#44
I haven't read all the posts in this topic, but this most recent page disturbs me.

As a 194 ranger main, I have always considered the ranger the perfect mix of every other class.

Granted, ranger can not heal as much as druids, or deal quite as much damage as rouges, or take damage as well as warriors, or even support as well as mages, BUT:
We can do all of it to a degree just below every other class.

We can heal, We can dps, we can sort of take damage (we can take damage better than warriors with bolas- damage taken would be 0), AND we can support.

Rangers are the perfect mix of every class.

Which is exactly why they are useless in groups other than bolas. They can do anything on their own, but when it comes to a clan, where there is many of each class which excel in the mix rangers have, rangers don't shine at all. It's basically a solo class and like I said before they shouldn't force a build on a class. AND since this game is so clan/cooperation based for gear and bossing, rangers are useless other than leveling. And whats the point of leveling if you won't be as useful as other classes on bosses?
Rogue 166 - Ghostbro
Ranger 126 - Acebow
Warrior 85 - Ghostwar

Soldiersofjah
SULIS

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#45
I haven't read all the posts in this topic, but this most recent page disturbs me.

As a 194 ranger main, I have always considered the ranger the perfect mix of every other class.

Granted, ranger can not heal as much as druids, or deal quite as much damage as rouges, or take damage as well as warriors, or even support as well as mages, BUT:
We can do all of it to a degree just below every other class.

We can heal, We can dps, we can sort of take damage (we can take damage better than warriors with bolas- damage taken would be 0), AND we can support.

Rangers are the perfect mix of every class.

Which is exactly why they are useless in groups other than bolas. They can do anything on their own, but when it comes to a clan, where there is many of each class which excel in the mix rangers have, rangers don't shine at all. It's basically a solo class and like I said before they shouldn't force a build on a class. AND since this game is so clan/cooperation based for gear and bossing, rangers are useless other than leveling. And whats the point of leveling if you won't be as useful as other classes on bosses?
Robax's quote helped me feel a little better but ace reminded me of the probs of being a copy of all the other classes nerfed then put in a blender.

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#46
I'm not saying to boost rangers dps significantly more than rogues, just give us end game rangers or str rangers some str based skills for crying out loud, all we do is auto, auto, double shot, auto, auto, auto, double shot... Etc.
Wattzon of Sulis

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#47
I'm not saying to boost rangers dps significantly more than rogues, just give us end game rangers or str rangers some str based skills for crying out loud, all we do is auto, auto, double shot, auto, auto, auto, double shot... Etc.
^^ In all seriousness, rangers' main problems are their crappy skills and how bad they are in PvP (and maybe the bolas bug where the animation of an arrow happens but no damage is inflicted).
Clan: WolfGang
Chaz - Level 185+ Ranger - Full DL
Inferno19 - Level 127+ Mage
Sneakystrike - Level 195+ Rogue - Full DL
EpIcHeaLzz - Level 137+ Druid
Tankerzz - Level 127+ Warrior (PvP Beast: Invincible Veteran)

World: Mabon

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#48
Which is exactly why they are useless in groups other than bolas. They can do anything on their own, but when it comes to a clan, where there is many of each class which excel in the mix rangers have, rangers don't shine at all. It's basically a solo class and like I said before they shouldn't force a build on a class. AND since this game is so clan/cooperation based for gear and bossing, rangers are useless other than leveling. And whats the point of leveling if you won't be as useful as other classes on bosses?
This is completely inaccurate.

In my own experience in Seed, I think that Crom would be weeks behind where it is today without rangers cooperating with their clan: When the carrow/fingals/sewers first came out, and our clan was struggling to defeat the 150 wyrm boss. After quite a few failed attemps, I told the clan, "Can I just bolas him and have the tank run?"*. Of course the clan was reluctant as we only had 2 rangers at the time, including me. Eventually we got tired of failure and tried bolasing... and it worked. From there every boss was killed by bolasing it.
And that's how one skill on rangers have impacted boss fights.
*I don't claim to be the first person to come up with the idea of bolasing bosses, I was just the first person to suggest the idea on Crom

Furthermore: I don't know how many rangers use entangle, but let me spell out exactly how much it helps on a raid boss.
Take Mordis for example, she does about 1.5k damage a hit to our tanks. And she attacks fast. I haven't counted how many hits she does in 30 seconds, but its at least 1 hit a second, maybe more. That's 30*1500, 45000 damage. Entangle cuts that in half: 27500 damage that Mordis does not inflict on the tank.
Looking again at the paragraph above, I'm thinking the damage is probably a little unrealistic, I'm probably making a bad guess at the attack speed. But, my point remains, it still cuts the raid boss's damage in half, giving the druids some respite.

Further, Furthermore: Sharpen Weapons
Someone mentioned earlier that Sharpen Weapons pales in comparison to poison weapon. They are somewhat right, and also outrageously wrong.
Solo, sharpen weapons sucks. For me, it adds 102 damage to my attacks. It isn't really even worth casting in battle, as in the time it takes to cast, I could do a single auto hit for more damage than it would give me. However, if a group is attuned to how sharpen weapons works, you can increase the groups damage overall by about 800 a hit, and that is increased even more by a hate potion.
To show what I mean:
1 group, 1 ranger, sharpen weapons adds 100, each player attacks approximately every 2 seconds. (the attack speed is just a middle number, rouges would be hitting much closer to every 1 second, along with rangers, so the number below would really be much higher.)
Take sharpen weapon damage addition: 100, multiply by 8 for people in group: 800, and 800 every 2 seconds for 2 minutes = 48000 damage added by sharpen weapons per cast... Which leads me to continue comparing it to poison weaps. Poison has to recast per person to use it on, it might add 2 times, maybe up to 3 times the actual damage done by sharpen on a mob, but it has to be cast 8 times if it were to be used by everyone in a group, every time a rouge wants to cast poison weaps, it costs them an auto attack, or 2 or 3 on haste, on the mob they are attacking. With rangers, its cast once, then cast again in 2 minutes, where rouges would lose a great deal of their damage if they were poisoning everyone's weaps.

Further, Further, Furthermore: Someone said that rangers are just a debuff of all classes thrown in a blender.... again, highly inaccurate (and hurtful).
Rangers don't need to heal as much as druids, because they won't be healing the tank, they would be healing themselves or other dps.
Rangers don't need lures as they can simply buff the damage done by everyone through their person, not the add.
Rangers don't need armor since the mobs don't even get close. (Bolas/Camo)
But Rangers do deal tons of damage. It is highly dependent on who exactly you are comparing to who, and how well geared they are, but rangers on Crom can easily hold their own.

All classes have their disadvantages, and advantages, but you really can't say that any class would not be missed if it were taken out. Every class plays a role in Celtic Heroes, and they all must play their role, otherwise- everything would be much, much tougher on the other classes, probably even impossible.

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#49
Rangers are a solo class. All I heard you say is how good they are in groups.


Do you agree they suck by themselves and need to be dependent of others?
Ashley A - Mabon - Novalis - 222 - Mage
Azona - Mabon - Novalis - 209 - Druid
0x15 - Mabon - Novalis - 216 - Rogue

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Fire Mage - Epona - 220 - Mage

Aethinry Donn - Belenus - 221 - Warrior
Dakara - Belenus - 200 - Mage

Re: Ranger Vs Rogue!

#50
Rangers are a solo class. All I heard you say is how good they are in groups.


Do you agree they suck by themselves and need to be dependent of others?
Rangers work great alone, and even better in groups. Simple as that.

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