Celtic Heroes

What people fail to understand when they have little-to-no competition on their home world, is that they have the time to organise, set a date, a time, leave a boss up without worrying about others taking them, wait until they have enough on so they are not trying to take a boss with an undersized group or underlevelled group, thus making the need for idols and other plat items less and less.

EternalSin had it on Rhiannon when update first hit. We could leave bosses up for 5-6 hours without worrying about them being taken.. The game was sooo easy and we could have 15-20 toons at each boss fight, thus creating less need for idols as we had sufficient numbers to carry out sufficient roles. Now the opposing clan have come back they are competing (and they have the toons, gear, and numbers to compete). This means that we must do everything we can to ensure we get the kill, whether it be through plat items or not (though we try to stay away as much as possible).

An example situation is a few days back.. Me and 3 clannies (couple of us duel-devicing) took down Sreng 6*. It was an FFA until lock with rival clan, and once we had won the lock, we had to do everything we could to complete the kill. Each toon there used about 10-20 idols and the fight was about 25minutes long. - Would we have attempted with 4 people if we had no competition? .. No. But we did attempt and managed to kill the boss, and i consider it a victory.

Honestly, Ail.. The way you believe the game should be played and what you think is a victory and what is not, is fair enough on your home world.. But to comment on boss encounters of others on competetive worlds, saying they had to plat it, it would not have been a victory etc, is unfair when you do not know how that world runs. No offence, but if Avalon moved to a competetive world and kept the same beliefs, they would lose a ridiculous amount of bosses.

The clans that have attempted did a great job, and by the sounds of things, Hrungnir woulda been downed by both if he wasn't virtually impossible.

Well hats off to your clan for trying the "impossible". I just don't see the value in brainstorming how to kill him in his current state when we know he is going to be toned down massively. Also, even if you killed him and you spent $1000 in plat items, I still wouldn't consider it a victory, like I mentioned, anyone can kill a boss with unlimited lives who is prepared to pay for it.

And one of the reasons he will be toned down is due to our efforts in trying to kill him. If this is your attempt at saying thank you, then you're welcome

I think you give yourself too much credit. OTM already intentionally made him unbeatable. Now OTM sees you spending loads of plat on him, so they would think he is WAY OVERPOWERED and will probably OVERNERF him. So yeah, if he becomes a wuss, then we know who to thank (or blame) depending how you look at it.

Honestly, Ail.. The way you believe the game should be played and what you think is a victory and what is not, is fair enough on your home world.. But to comment on boss encounters of others on competetive worlds, saying they had to plat it, it would not have been a victory etc, is unfair when you do not know how that world runs. No offence, but if Avalon moved to a competetive world and kept the same beliefs, they would lose a ridiculous amount of bosses.

lol, you think there had been no plat-spending, idol zerging, win-at-all-costs clan in Morrigan? 'Course there were. But they're gone. They just couldn't compete with us because we don't spend ridiculous amount of plat and can sustain farming for a very long time. We are no strangers to free-for-alls and massive idol usage when we have underpowered groups. But we don't accept that as a de facto way of killing bosses. So we adapt to form raid groups faster and kill faster. You can look at it this way - Avalon won the server by eliminating all competition. You can't say the same for your clan.

And it's not about not having competitive clans. We continuously judge our capability based on the server/game environment. We recruit players in Asia/Pacific Region and Europe (or folks who work nightshift) if we feel the need to bolster our off-hours ranks. We camp summer dragons and get 100% of the kills because we have dedicated members who alternate camp there and have parked toons ready to move at a moments notice. Organization and dedication is the key and while I don't claim we have the best players in the game, I can say we hand picked the dedicated ones on our server. If we were on any other server, we would go about doing the same thing. I find that players who belong to a non-zerging clan enjoy the game much more, and more pleasant to play with, and thus makes the clan more successful in the long run.

What people fail to understand when they have little-to-no competition on their home world, is that they have the time to organise, set a date, a time, leave a boss up without worrying about others taking them, wait until they have enough on so they are not trying to take a boss with an undersized group or underlevelled group, thus making the need for idols and other plat items less and less.

EternalSin had it on Rhiannon when update first hit. We could leave bosses up for 5-6 hours without worrying about them being taken.. The game was sooo easy and we could have 15-20 toons at each boss fight, thus creating less need for idols as we had sufficient numbers to carry out sufficient roles. Now the opposing clan have come back they are competing (and they have the toons, gear, and numbers to compete). This means that we must do everything we can to ensure we get the kill, whether it be through plat items or not (though we try to stay away as much as possible).

An example situation is a few days back.. Me and 3 clannies (couple of us duel-devicing) took down Sreng 6*. It was an FFA until lock with rival clan, and once we had won the lock, we had to do everything we could to complete the kill. Each toon there used about 10-20 idols and the fight was about 25minutes long. - Would we have attempted with 4 people if we had no competition? .. No. But we did attempt and managed to kill the boss, and i consider it a victory.

Honestly, Ail.. The way you believe the game should be played and what you think is a victory and what is not, is fair enough on your home world.. But to comment on boss encounters of others on competetive worlds, saying they had to plat it, it would not have been a victory etc, is unfair when you do not know how that world runs. No offence, but if Avalon moved to a competetive world and kept the same beliefs, they would lose a ridiculous amount of bosses.

right on brother

Sorry if my previous post was too confrontational, I apologize it was late at night I saw a lot of negativity and felt the need to respond. But it was not directed at you personally.

No worries, Bitey. I know the feeling, and have also been known to jump the gun when it's late at night. Like I say, I think the negativity, if it can be called such, was probably more related to the shock that you would continue so long (rather than aborting after gaining some data) and not based on what you determined from the fight.

I didn't know that Bada was so far ahead. I thought you and Uskoci were much closer in competition.

Well I think think if you leave it at two attempts and take what you got from it, then it can be chalked up to a good learning experience. If your clan continues... I think many people will continue to roll their eyes.

Well I think think if you leave it at two attempts and take what you got from it, then it can be chalked up to a good learning experience. If your clan continues... I think many people will continue to roll their eyes.

You are correct about continuing to try him being madness. We are done until this boss is adjusted.

What do you mean by "top notch" because It surely doesn't mean the best...
Oh and you mentioned us taking down other bosses? Well... This is off-topic but you do realize that we have more dragon than you (if added up), and we take down almost %95 of all placeholders and 5-6* during the U.S and early Aussie time. Not sure where you get "best clan" from because we are the ones owning and patrolling bosses, not to mention full dragon on all of our classes when you guys have but one. Before you respond with "we kit our whole clan" yes. We do to. All of our mages have gloves+ just like you guys... And no. I didnt say we were stronger did I? Only small minded people would suggest that a clan was stronger than another.
Oh? Did I hear something? "You have more aggy drops?"
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Great. Now I have bracelet and ring space to fill with lux so I can actually use my skills.
I aplogize to op for going off topic but I just needed to take care of some big-mouths on these forums.

Well first off, let's both our clan members be careful what is said here. No sense hijacking and getting the thread locked because we can't be civil. I think it is fine now, and we can still pull a decent debate in relation to the OP.

As Trajedy mentioned, I think you are reading too much into what I wrote... and there was absolutely nothing in my post to suggest that I was a "big-mouth." My post could have as easily been penned by one of your clan members, and would have had the same implication and meaning.

Due to time differences and when we are able to play respectively, I think I've only met you in game twice, and first time it wasn't you playing the toon, so I can see why you wouldn't really know my personality. I can understand that you wouldn't want to take my clan member's word on it, so feel free to ask in your clan what people think of me. I am sure Loki, Ninja, Comm, and Flor would speak kindly of me, and would straighten out your perception.

Yes, I suspect you do have more summer dragons et al. And this is an interesting demographic fact that is related to the OP. Your clan seems to have a large proportion of young people who are on summer vacation or something, so they are able to camp and mobilize quickly. Our clan is made up of predominantly adults, many of whom have children on summer vacation and are therefore able to play less than the other months of the year. My statement is partially in relation to that; given the *current* state, there is no way we would see value in spending 1 or 2 hours on a boss.

The flip side is true also, Dean. I suspect that your clan would also find it foolish to divert all resources to one boss for 1 or 2 hours, as that would allow us free reign on other spawns. Nothing more, nothing less.

I never said we were the best, nor did I say we were stronger. As you aptly point out only small minded people compare in that manner. Why you fail to follow your own observation and go on about how great you are is beyond me.

I think our clans are fairly evenly matched, though it ebbs and flows due to people's schedules. Again, this fact is why we would both (your clan and mine) think it foolish to try Hrung at this point in the game.

So lets see if I get this thread:

Boss is impossible!

Mod: Boss has no loot and is supposed to be impossible so attempting is a waste.

Boss is impossible! OTM sucks! Why don't they tell us the boss is impossible!

Yeah. That's about it. ._.

"A victory at all costs is not a victory."

Ever heard of the American Civil War? Yeah sorry bud but a victory at all costs is still a victory.
Best American general of all time clearly established that.

Sorry, no... never heard of it. Please inform me, bud, of how it pertains to our discussion.

So lets see if I get this thread:

Boss is impossible!

Mod: Boss has no loot and is supposed to be impossible so attempting is a waste.

Boss is impossible! OTM sucks! Why don't they tell us the boss is impossible!

Yeah. That's about it. ._.

It was actually more like

• 1) We fought Hrungnir, he is OP and here is why
  2) Why did you even try to fight him?
  3) My clan is best
  4) No my clan is best!
  5) Why did you fight him at all? You're giving OTM money! zomg!

I would have liked this thread to actually talk about the boss, his skills, and how to fix them. Instead people keep bringing in their personal business. I'm done posting on this thread because people keep taking this thing off topic :|