Celtic Heroes

I'm not gret with quotes so let me do this firstly 35 skill points is not greater then a haste elix. A hate elix gives me around 45% extra dps thats firestorm skill would give a mage around 10%

.....45% huh? Nice made up stat. Even with a slight faster casting time the difference between lix and haste gloves is 20%.

@Brookie Oh joy, more chaos to read. Let's see...

All mages now should be fire mages. You have 3 dps skills which are fire which massivly outweigh the 1 which is ice. Yet firestorm is still your worst skill and gives hardly any extra dps.

This appears to be the basis of your argument this time. My answer is no. Just because we have 3 dps skills that are fire does not mean ice shards is outweighed. Firestorm is not even a stable dps skill and does not offer constant reliable dps.

I'm not gret with quotes so let me do this firstly 35 skill points is not greater then a haste elix. A hate elix gives me around 45% extra dps thats firestorm skill would give a mage around 10% extra dps...

You're right, 35 points in a terrible skill like firestorm will not make the difference. However, freeing up 35 points allows you to max 3 dps skills. In the description you gave me of Presmajic, the build you gave me was: "49/35 shards. 40/35 incin. 44/35 firebolt." Notice, firestorm is not mentioned here.

When assasins lure is up rogues should be winning by a good 20%.

With the "super mage" build of having three maxed dps skills, the odds become in a way even. However, from this point, the phenomenon of Mage kills on aggy would occur. The nukes will eventually catch up and pass the melee.

My gear is maxed is his? Answer that.

The braces are well within what matters, which are the skill points. One vitality is not going to significantly impact the dps. As for the book, 100 fire magic would increase the chance of firebolt and incinerate being successfully casted so I'll give you that. 25 focus would not make a significant difference for what we are talking about.

To compare firestorm to 1750 focus(which btw is a number you pulled from no where) you are telling me that 1750 extra focus wouldnt raise your firebolt incin and iceshards to a point which is more then 1.6k damage every 25-30 seconds?!

I am not comparing firestorm to 1750 focus. The three dps spells a wise Mage would max would be ice shards, firebolt, and incinerate. You seem to consistently refer to firestorm yet I never mentioned it in my previous post.
35 points * 50 focus = 1750 focus per 35 points. I am not sure how you inferred that the effect would be on more than one skill... 1750 was simply a way of expressing the additional dps from the added points into a third skill.

I'm not gret with quotes so let me do this firstly 35 skill points is not greater then a haste elix. A hate elix gives me around 45% extra dps thats firestorm skill would give a mage around 10%

.....45% huh? Nice made up stat. Even with a slight faster casting time the difference between lix and haste gloves is 20%.

Made up... Ok you clearly don't know how haste gloves and elix work.

My speed of weapon normal 1900 when i use a haste elix it goes to 70% it does not add speed like u might think. Your not 30% fast infact your weapon speed is 30% less. That takes it to 1330

Hast elix applys the same which mean 950 is weapon speed. 1330/950 is 1.4 so infact its a 40% increase. Please dont try and call someone out on something you have no clue.

@Brookie Oh joy, more chaos to read. Let's see...

All mages now should be fire mages. You have 3 dps skills which are fire which massivly outweigh the 1 which is ice. Yet firestorm is still your worst skill and gives hardly any extra dps.

This appears to be the basis of your argument this time. My answer is no. Just because we have 3 dps skills that are fire does not mean ice shards is outweighed. Firestorm is not even a stable dps skill and does not offer constant reliable dps.

I'm not gret with quotes so let me do this firstly 35 skill points is not greater then a haste elix. A hate elix gives me around 45% extra dps thats firestorm skill would give a mage around 10% extra dps...

You're right, 35 points in a terrible skill like firestorm will not make the difference. However, freeing up 35 points allows you to max 3 dps skills. In the description you gave me of Presmajic, the build you gave me was: "49/35 shards. 40/35 incin. 44/35 firebolt." Notice, firestorm is not mentioned here.

When assasins lure is up rogues should be winning by a good 20%.

With the "super mage" build of having three maxed dps skills, the odds become in a way even. However, from this point, the phenomenon of Mage kills on aggy would occur. The nukes will eventually catch up and pass the melee.

My gear is maxed is his? Answer that.

The braces are well within what matters, which are the skill points. One vitality is not going to significantly impact the dps. As for the book, 100 fire magic would increase the chance of firebolt and incinerate being successfully casted so I'll give you that. 25 focus would not make a significant difference for what we are talking about.

To compare firestorm to 1750 focus(which btw is a number you pulled from no where) you are telling me that 1750 extra focus wouldnt raise your firebolt incin and iceshards to a point which is more then 1.6k damage every 25-30 seconds?!

I am not comparing firestorm to 1750 focus. The three dps spells a wise Mage would max would be ice shards, firebolt, and incinerate. You seem to consistently refer to firestorm yet I never mentioned it in my previous post.
35 points * 50 focus = 1750 focus per 35 points. I am not sure how you inferred that the effect would be on more than one skill... 1750 was simply a way of expressing the additional dps from the added points into a third skill.

Ok let me break it down a mage can max 3 damage skills an use energy boost so i have no clue what you are on about here. Infact what you are saying is quite stupid. U have yet to answer my question is his gear maxed? No its not. Is mine? Yes it is!

A full dps mage thats a mage using 4 skills all dps should be lower then a full dps rogue. I your using lures then ur semi support!! No a mage with firebolt and incin only should not get close to a rogue. Even a mage using all 4 skills should be around 10-20% under a rogue as all it takes is an alt book an they are a whole new charc which is nothing. The simple fact a mage has 2 rolls in the game should allow a rogue who has 1 to be top.

As you said nukes will pass melee. Wtf that shouldn't be the case!!! Your a nuke class you ment to hit hard but overall your dps is decent but not better then a class who is ment for pure dps. How do you not understand. Mages are currently overpowered in the dps department. When a mage can do a roll of a rogue class better then a rogue without the top gear while the rogue has top gear there is something clearly wrong!

A mage without lures on a boss at full dps beats a rogue without lures. A mage with lures beat a rogue with lures atm. Its wrong.

I told you presmajic gear. Now presmajic can he another 17! Skill points. I am saying even after those 17!! Thats 850 focus as you would say. He should still be below me but infact he beats me... -.-

Brookie, ask Pres, oNi has better gear then him. By far. And I still win most fights. Your doing something wrong I think. I just dont know what.

Its no use fighting with this guy. In what it seems, he doesn't quite know what hes talking bout. Its different for all servers. I cant know you conditions and you can know mine or his.

Id let it go. Save it for update. In DPS yes i agree rogues need huge boost. Our DPS should hit about 20-30% more then theres at all times. And guess what, mages are getting new ice skills. So Id save it till after update. When input is really needed.

OTM isnt listening to squat. And won't till after update because they are stubborn and dont listen to there end game players. Which they are trying to get update here as quick as possible which I can see.

@Brookie first of all you initially said 45% increase. Then u "proved" a 40% increase. So nice job trying to prove yourself wrong. Secondly you found the speed differences correctly: 1330 with haste gloves an 950 with haste lix . Yet for some reason you are taking your original speed as a percentage of your new speed- WRONG. To correctly find difference in speed percentage haste lix compared to gloves it would be 950/1330=.714..... So about 70% of your original speed meaning a decrease in 30% as i had originally said. Lz dont try proving yourself wrong mathematically

@Brookie Ok, I give up. This is honestly going nowhere. There are just things you do not seem to understand about Mage skills. Your calculations for damage also appear incorrect as well as the idea you have that 3 damage skills can be maxed at the same time as energy boost and lures. I can obviously go more in dept and explain the various formulas that papi and mdimarco extrapolated but it's just not worth the time because you would not understand. I do not mean that as an insult, but it's just complicated and I am not going to try to explain it. You find something unfair? Just deal with it. OTM is obviously working hard to balance everything and we'll see what happens with the update.

@Brookie first of all you initially said 45% increase. Then u "proved" a 40% increase. So nice job trying to prove yourself wrong. Secondly you found the speed differences correctly: 1330 with haste gloves an 950 with haste lix . Yet for some reason you are taking your original speed as a percentage of your new speed- WRONG. To correctly find difference in speed percentage haste lix compared to gloves it would be 950/1330=.714..... So about 70% of your original speed meaning a decrease in 30% as i had originally said. Lz dont try proving yourself wrong mathematically

Ok firstly 30% decrease is not a 40% increase in dps clearly your maths is idiotic yes your right i did probe myself it was 40% not 45 but the first time i said was an educated guess.

You have een quoted me on this so what your coming up with is irrelevant.

What i said was.... Get ready for it a haste elix gives 45% extra dps. Guess what i put it on calc and its atch 40... So i was 5% off what you said was its more like 20. If i am improving my speed by 40% i get 40% more dps.

In the second half of your post you talk about some rubish about 30% less speed of weapon when the hell did i say speed of weapon stop trying to prove yourself right when i proved you with maths wrong. 30% less speed works out to be around 40% more dps on this case which is what i said. So infact all you have done is prove me right.


@warsongz well u know my build you have seen my gear. I can get over 3600 attack and 1200 damage easy. Maybe its not me who is doing something wrong as well... I cant? All i have to do is auto. Maybe its ONI who is doing something wrong. Maybe he is fighting more adds? Maybe he is using a semi hth build? Maybe he hasn't got the right amount of fore damage as he doesn't have either dreadbone charm which will make his skills miss more then presmajic.? Or maybe he uses skills in wrong order or isnt using pots so in turn its like he is doing a no plat aggy while your using a haste?


@vran the whole point of my post was saying you can have 3 damage skills max and energy boost. I never said maxing lures with it. To say i dont know about the class that beat me is stupid. I infact have learnt alot because he beat me.

The point i was making is you have a support mage at aggy. When your a mage and you go full dps with 4 skills and use pots you should still be behind a rogues dps when they are on a combo. Why? Because you have a second choice. You can go support whenever you want and be good at it! Rogues dont have that second choice, yes they can go tank or support but they are not by any means good at it they are not even decent. Because the fact mages hve the second choice rogues should be best at there only choice. When a mage is beating me without top of top gear in a rogues only choice there is something wrong do you not see it?

^lol short term memory loss apparently. It is impossible to argue with someone who makes no sense. U win brookie i give up lmao. I know some great online math courses if ur interested...

Let me do the maths for you.

Lets say i hit 1000 damage each time. I do it for 5 mins or 300 seconds thats with haste gloves(1330 speed) 225.56 hits so ill so maths for you 22556 damage.

Lets try with 950 speed-300/950= 315.79 hits. Which is 31579 damage lets worth out % extra now so how many times does 22556 go into 31579... Cause that will give you how much extra dps your hitting compared to your haste gloves

Owww its 1.4...

So thats means 40% more dps right... Errr yep

I suggest you take those maths lessons... Like seriously you really need them.

U just repeated the exact same error that i pointed out the first time. And while you are taking "maths" class try some english ones too