Celtic Heroes

Just wondering what y'all think. Aggragoth spawned last night. We got in touch with all of our team, and arranged it for 4am BST (My time). Me, and another clanny from England, stayed up until 4am. We were there waiting at the Aggragoth spawn, for 1 more healer that we had messaged out-of-game to log on.

Our Support Mage had to go if we didn't start soon, so we gave it a shot. There was another clan near the spawn training on wyverns.. (by clan I mean 4 140+ Rogues and a healer, not mentioning any names.) So after the long build up, and staying awake until 4am to take Aggra. We go to start, only to find that the other clans rogues jump on straight away. This was very unexpected, as 4/5 people from the other clan, were 3 Generals and the Chief, and 2 of them used to be 2 of the most respected members in Rhiannon. So after all the build up, we didn't take, knowing that the other Clan would get the kill over ours.

(They didn't have enough online, but claimed they would take it later on as they were preparing for it, only for me to log in this morning to find out that it had actually not been taken by the other clan (Not sure if they can take it with just their own members, they haven't been able to yet), and now after the patch, Aggragoth is gone again).

I make that Aggragoth 1, Rhiannon 0.

But the real reason for this post, is do you think it is morally wrong, to FFA a clan on Aggragoth, when it's simply not a boss you can take without organisation and strategy? It takes real life commitments and sacrifices.

Let me know what y'all think, would be interesting to see some replies

Thanks in Advance!

RAP

Also, I was against target lock.. But would it help in situations like this? I guess so

Morally ? No I don't think morals play into it possibly ethically wrong , but of course I am on a server that has only 1 clan capable of killing the big bad dragon so my opinion is a bit weighted . Personally i do not think it is wrong , if you have the best dps that means those players spent time to assure themselves of being powerful , the clan made sure to secure the best players for the betterment of the clan and deserve any rewards that come to them. I am against target lock because I think it will suck alot of the fun out of the game, I do not think it will hinder the more powerful clans I think it will actually help them.

Also, I was against target lock.. But would it help in situations like this? I guess so

Lol these are the exact (and only) situations it was proposed to help with

Morally ? No I don't think morals play into it possibly ethically wrong , but of course I am on a server that has only 1 clan capable of killing the big bad dragon so my opinion is a bit weighted . Personally i do not think it is wrong , if you have the best dps that means those players spent time to assure themselves of being powerful , the clan made sure to secure the best players for the betterment of the clan and deserve any rewards that come to them. I am against target lock because I think it will suck alot of the fun out of the game, I do not think it will hinder the more powerful clans I think it will actually help them.

We've got balance, organisation, 2 of the best tanks I've ever seen, along with a few other great tanks that are around level 115-120, and some insane Druids, we just lack a little dps :/ we started update 3 with 4 main rogues. 1 got frozen legs, hood. Boots, gloves, 1 bear off Jerkin and left. Another got frozen gloves, boots, legs, hood, weapon, 1 bear of jerkin and left, another got frozen gloves, boots, legs, hood, weapon and left, which now leaves me the only active 100+ rogue. I also do not think this game should revolve around who has the best dps. Having the best dps, doesn't neccasarily mean that you can take all bosses. As far as I'm concerned, EternalSin is the only clan on Rhiannon that can take Aggragoth with just it's own members. Until I see otherwise, that is how my mind will stay.

Also, 1/2 the members in the 'FFAing Clan', were previously in other clans. Levelled, got geared, and then joined them.

Also I think our concepts of 'good players' is different, I'd take a level 120 over a level 145, if the 120 had a better attitude

Thanks for the feedback all, keep it coming

This is one of those funny things to me. You have tanks and support. They have strong dps.

It never occurred to you to cooperate? You might have had two aggy spawns and twice the drops by now had you done so. Just sayin.

IMHO. A 'Super Clan' defeats the object of a 'clan'.

To me, a clan is much, much more than a group of people that come together to get armour and be powerful etc. argue over who gets what piece of armour and who gets geared first. People that *** about each other end up joining clans and being best buds.. It shouldn't be like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for peace.. But I can't stand back stabbers and 2-faced people, which sometimes, this game seems to be full of.

I love my clan. It may not be the most powerful, may not be the largest, may not take all the bosses from every other clan.. But we're a family. We're all friends, we're powerful, we have taken every boss on the game with just our own members, we congratulate and are happy for each other when we get some armour or a weapon, and most importantly, We all have fun.

I will never be seen with another tag above my head. The day i am, i will no longer be playing, and I would never let a member into EternalSin that could potentially jeopardize it, no matter what their level.

Friends over power hands down, when you get em both.. Hats off to ya!

I wouldn't even let 3/4 of these guys into our clan..

Edit: sorry, misunderstood the comment. Basically, we don't have the best relations. Also, why would we wanna cooperate with a clan that ******* on us?

Our concept of good players is probably the same , but a good level 120 won't scratch Aggy, for that good player to be great they need levels. This game is not hard it's just a grind , good smart players know they need levels to be effective players. The question was not what makes a great clan or what makes a player someone I want to chat with , you asked if it's morally reprehensible to dominate a boss , well in my humble opinion you need to bring guns to a shootout not daggers.

This game is not based on what makes a good balance for a boss that is FFA it's who brings the best dps , I do not see how it csn be construed as wrong to kill what you are capable of killing. And each of us has a different opinion of what constitutes the perfect party.

Each server has different politics and I can see from some posts that some servers have a server wide type of constitution when it comes to ks, it's commendable thst you are able to get an entire server to follow rules create by a small minority, on Morrigan you get treated the way you deserve to be treated based on the actions of your clan or the individual and i like it this way , reap what ye sow in a sense.

Just wondering what y'all think. Aggragoth spawned last night. We got in touch with all of our team, and arranged it for 4am BST (My time). Me, and another clanny from England, stayed up until 4am. We were there waiting at the Aggragoth spawn, for 1 more healer that we had messaged out-of-game to log on.

Our Support Mage had to go if we didn't start soon, so we gave it a shot. There was another clan near the spawn training on wyverns.. (by clan I mean 4 140+ Rogues and a healer, not mentioning any names.) So after the long build up, and staying awake until 4am to take Aggra. We go to start, only to find that the other clans rogues jump on straight away. This was very unexpected, as 4/5 people from the other clan, were 3 Generals and the Chief, and 2 of them used to be 2 of the most respected members in Rhiannon. So after all the build up, we didn't take, knowing that the other Clan would get the kill over ours.

(They didn't have enough online, but claimed they would take it later on as they were preparing for it, only for me to log in this morning to find out that it had actually not been taken by the other clan (Not sure if they can take it with just their own members, they haven't been able to yet), and now after the patch, Aggragoth is gone again).

I make that Aggragoth 1, Rhiannon 0.

But the real reason for this post, is do you think it is morally wrong, to FFA a clan on Aggragoth, when it's simply not a boss you can take without organisation and strategy? It takes real life commitments and sacrifices.

Let me know what y'all think, would be interesting to see some replies

Thanks in Advance!

RAP

1 nil to you you made them look like right TRUMPETS...by stopping ( just stop and laugh that's wat I do )

But on a personal level annoying as you had no interest in there clan activity you were focused on Aggra

Chieftain and Generals acting Big Boys with there levels......shame they couldn't back it up

Keeps There Embaressment Levels Up !!

You say the other group was at wyvs when you started? It doesn't sound like KS, but rather "competition" to me. Would you have been any happier if they lined up next to you first and waited for you to initiate? If you had a small yet capable group and you were engaged on Aggra for a few minutes or so, then a larger more capable group rushed in and ultimately won the kill, I would consider that KS, which i would consider ethically questionable.

As long as Aggra continues to spawn every 5 days or so, all servers will eventually face this same challenge -- multiple clans will bottle-neck at Aggra and they will scramble to compete for the kill when he spawns, just like Falgren in Stonevale pre-update 3. It is yet to be seen if devs will institute a target lock system to essentially eliminate all competitions, so until that happens, it's time for us all to man up, suit up, and get ready for battle.