Celtic Heroes

All right heroes, time to put on your thinking caps!

Here's a common conversation I hear in the Arena:

-- Goober (lower-level): Why are you killing me? I didn't do anything to you. I've never even seen you before.
-- Smasher (high-ish level): You killed my alt the other day. Now you will pay.

Let's suppose that Smasher is lvl 150+, that Goober is starting to feel the power somewhere around lvl 80-90, and that Smasher's alternative toon (call it Thrasher) is lvl 50-60 or so. (That's close the the typical scenario I see.) Let's also suppose that the irl controller of Smasher and Thrasher is a person named Asher. (Creative, right?)

Here's the debate: Goober typically insists that Smasher shouldn't be retaliating, it's an issue between Thrasher and Goober; Smasher replies, to the contrary, that killing Thrasher is akin to killing Smasher and so there is an issue between Goober and Smasher. Now let's set aside, for the moment, the ethics of retaliation. Question for all of you: is it true that when Goober killed Thrasher (the low-lvl alt), Goober *in effect* killed Smasher?

Here's why this matters: If killing Thrasher *is* akin to killing Smasher, then Smasher is not *initiating* a fight with Goober -- Smasher might be finishing the fight, but s/he's not starting it. But if killing Thrasher is *not* akin to killing Smasher, then Smasher is starting a fight with Goober (and we might think that higher levels starting fights with lower levels is just in poor taste, a kind of bullying).

Here are some considerations, for and against, to get the conversation started.

The "YES" Stance: Yes, killing Thrasher is akin to killing Smasher. Because Thrasher and Smasher are controlled by the same irl person, Asher. Since killing Thrasher is killing Asher's toon, and Smasher is also Asher's toon, killing Thrasher is akin to killing Smasher.

The "NO" Stance: No, killing Thrasher is NOT akin to killing Smasher. Because killing a low-level and not like killing a high-level (for example, one is easy to do and the other is hard to do). And besides, it doesn't *matter* that Asher controls both toons irl. If someone dents my old junker car sitting in my driveway, that's not akin to denting my brand-new super-fine sports car, even though I control both of those cars -- for example, no insurance company treats them as the same.

What are YOUR thoughts, heroes?

I think it is always a bad idea to kill someone for no reason in arena, although this goes against what the arena is for.

Killing a noob does not benefit you, if you mess up and kill a high lv's alt ( trasher ) Then the high lv has the right to kill you and demonstrate his anger, so you learn your lesson in not being an idiot and killing a noob with heavy lux

I always go and kill people who gang on my alt account. Though only the ill informed do because I do have a clan tag above my name on both toons.

You called the 150 killing goober bullying but isn't that the same as goober killing the level 50? I think i my alts as my team, if you hurt my team then I hurt you. Simple as that.

^exactly , it is the same point as if a clan member was killed or a friend.

She sells sea shells by the sea shore. The shells she sells are surely seashells. So if she sells shells on the seashore, I'm sure she sells seashore shells.

On a serious note it wouldn't sound fair if the higher was killing the lower for killing their lower. I think if the lower were bullying the higher lvls lower alt it's why some say, "K getting main etc" If it's in arena that's what arena is for to kill.

I do believe in real life to fight your own battles. In a game some feel if you have help some do whatever.
Example
Sometimes I get a whisper, "Purple kill this person for me"
It's like saying real life, " Hey Venus I know you weren't there and have nothing to do with it but can u beat this girl up for me? No just no

1)So you have the kind that get upset and get main character to fight their lower battles.
2)Then you have ones who were say they were tired of maybe lower lvl bothering their lower.

I don't agree with number 1 much. As for 2 if your cursing or disrespectful they might get a surprise :p

^ but its a game bro

There should be a pvp rule if the player is over 20 levels over you rank shouldnt change if you die or something of the sort.

There should be a pvp rule if the player is over 20 levels over you rank shouldnt change if you die or something of the sort.

You only lose rank to those below you or closely around your level. What makes this stupid is that you have to ensure you werent hit by a noob before you leave the arena or your rank is lowered and they get xp for "the kill" . To avoid this you have to kill them , then they get upset.

^ but its a game bro

This pretty much sums it all up :p