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Vines does about 3-4 times the damage of bees

i know ur like an expert or smth at druiding but in my nooby experience (of being killed in arena by 180 druids and killing as a low lvl druid) vines does a max of 2x the dmg of bees. Although (as u undoubtedly know already) vines shows it can have a higher max dmg than bees, vines deal crushing dmg which can be highly resisted, whereas bees shows that its max dmg may be lower than the max of vines, it deals poison dmg, which is hardly, if at all, resisted. Final statement, while killing on my nubby druid i noticed that the damage of bees was more consistent than that of vines. My question is, does the damage of vines and the damage of bees even out, or does vines still have a higher damage output when used on mobs?

This is a a question that will require a lot of explaining, so I'll format it as nicely as possible.

but in my nooby experience (of being killed in arena by 180 druids and killing as a low lvl druid) vines does a max of 2x the dmg of bees.

I may be wrong (haven't really tested this), but I believe in Arena your vines damage is reduced significantly. As for casting on mobs, during lower lvls vines does less damage than it could, but as your level and focus and natmagic increases so will it's damage.. more so than bees. At level 185, my vines have a stat of 2965 damage, and my bees 916. Even with fluctuation and resists, vines does MUCH more damage than bees on bosses, while bees is hardly noticeable on leveling mobs.

vines deal crushing dmg which can be highly resisted

Vines deals Magic Damage.. the description is just misleading.

whereas bees shows that its max dmg may be lower than the max of vines, it deals poison dmg, which is hardly, if at all, resisted.

The point is that even though bees deal poison damage (which is unresisted) and vines deal magic (which as you said, is resisted), vines still ends up doing a LOT more damage than bees.. despite this.

Final statement, while killing on my nubby druid i noticed that the damage of bees was more consistent than that of vines.

There is this thing called Damage Fluctuation: it's the system that OTM placed in so that damage would randomized, and they made the fluctuation value 50%... Meaning that if you hit a training dummy and your max damage is 100, then your hits will range anywhere from 50 to 100. Since bees has lower damage than vines, it's damage has much more consistency.

My question is, does the damage of vines and the damage of bees even out, or does vines still have a higher damage output when used on mobs?

As you progress to higher levels, vines pulls ahead of bees more and more. The only time when bees comes close to the same damage as vines is during big end-game bosses that have a LOT of magic resist, but no poison.

Hopefully this answered all your questions

Vines does about 3-4 times the damage of bees

i know ur like an expert or smth at druiding but in my nooby experience (of being killed in arena by 180 druids and killing as a low lvl druid) vines does a max of 2x the dmg of bees. Although (as u undoubtedly know already) vines shows it can have a higher max dmg than bees, vines deal crushing dmg which can be highly resisted, whereas bees shows that its max dmg may be lower than the max of vines, it deals poison dmg, which is hardly, if at all, resisted. Final statement, while killing on my nubby druid i noticed that the damage of bees was more consistent than that of vines. My question is, does the damage of vines and the damage of bees even out, or does vines still have a higher damage output when used on mobs?

This is a a question that will require a lot of explaining, so I'll format it as nicely as possible.

but in my nooby experience (of being killed in arena by 180 druids and killing as a low lvl druid) vines does a max of 2x the dmg of bees.

I may be wrong (haven't really tested this), but I believe in Arena your vines damage is reduced significantly. As for casting on mobs, during lower lvls vines does less damage than it could, but as your level and focus and natmagic increases so will it's damage.. more so than bees. At level 185, my vines have a stat of 2965 damage, and my bees 916. Even with fluctuation and resists, vines does MUCH more damage than bees on bosses, while bees is hardly noticeable on leveling mobs.

vines deal crushing dmg which can be highly resisted

Vines deals Magic Damage.. the description is just misleading.

whereas bees shows that its max dmg may be lower than the max of vines, it deals poison dmg, which is hardly, if at all, resisted.

The point is that even though bees deal poison damage (which is unresisted) and vines deal magic (which as you said, is resisted), vines still ends up doing a LOT more damage than bees.. despite this.

Final statement, while killing on my nubby druid i noticed that the damage of bees was more consistent than that of vines.

There is this thing called Damage Fluctuation: it's the system that OTM placed in so that damage would randomized, and they made the fluctuation value 50%... Meaning that if you hit a training dummy and your max damage is 100, then your hits will range anywhere from 50 to 100. Since bees has lower damage than vines, it's damage has much more consistency.

My question is, does the damage of vines and the damage of bees even out, or does vines still have a higher damage output when used on mobs?

As you progress to higher levels, vines pulls ahead of bees more and more. The only time when bees comes close to the same damage as vines is during big end-game bosses that have a LOT of magic resist, but no poison.

Hopefully this answered all your questions

yep it did lol... i think its a bit dumb how its called STRANGLING vines but does magic dmg i guess these vines r magically enhanced

Heya Cys

Im a Dps PvP build i throw all the skill points into vitality for a whopping 6.2k health. The rely on good jewelry, weapons and armour for Focus. With my gear i hit 3k energy. As far as skills, being pure dps, heals are out lol vines, bees, and lightning for the damage, use bark to make up for Druids lack of armour. ...at 150 you haven't enough points to put into others skills but before 150 id say throw a little into Howling Wind, without substantial points put into it it's not the best, but certainly best of your leftover options

Hope if helped a bit

Hello all

190 Druid from Ros

my build:

Full focus and I mean full, no vit at all
with full dl and 140 set I have 3700 hp. With Athachs Imperial helm and only ammy from set I have 2313 hp
bees, vines,lightning and touch are at 50 storm is only 40 as I haven't been able to find any good rings for it.
My main hand is just a 150 aggy grim, being an alt and not a popular one I don't have dl main hand yet but would use that.

With this build I consistently get kills on bosses when i don't have to worry about healing but do draw agro and die quite easily lol.
Druids, on bigger bosses, are still the best overall dps in the game but are also the softest. My bees and vines are like having a 4k auto and my lightning and storm will hit quite comfortably for 3k each and up to 4600 each. Druids cast times will never allow them to be the best dps on normal mobs but for bosses, when built right, are amazing.

Cheers and have fun.

Hello all

190 Druid from Ros

my build:

Full focus and I mean full, no vit at all
with full dl and 140 set I have 3700 hp. With Athachs Imperial helm and only ammy from set I have 2313 hp
bees, vines,lightning and touch are at 50 storm is only 40 as I haven't been able to find any good rings for it.
My main hand is just a 150 aggy grim, being an alt and not a popular one I don't have dl main hand yet but would use that.

With this build I consistently get kills on bosses when i don't have to worry about healing but do draw agro and die quite easily lol.
Druids, on bigger bosses, are still the best overall dps in the game but are also the softest. My bees and vines are like having a 4k auto and my lightning and storm will hit quite comfortably for 3k each and up to 4600 each. Druids cast times will never allow them to be the best dps on normal mobs but for bosses, when built right, are amazing.

Cheers and have fun.

I would advise ditching Storm and replacing it with Bark. DPS-Wise, I believe you would still be getting a majority of boss kills without storm, and the energy costs storm brings are not worth it at all for a bossing build. With bark you will have an excellent buff (just having bark and touch is usually enough for keeping any tank alive), but also if you are killing things with big AoE's your damage received will be reduced DRAMATICALLY. I can get to mordris without using a single idol with bark active.. definitely worth it over storm.

Bark not wind, few points in touch or maybe embrace. Dps skills max lightning vines any extra in storm touch.
Because of the rubbish armour for druid ya need more hp than other classes so id say 2 vit 3 foc or alternate each level

I've got a 50 camo broom, don't need bark. If u want a pure dps druid u need to be full focus, I agree bark is great but why would u drop storm if ur goal is dps?

If the sole purpose of a dps character is to do as much dmg as quickly as possible, wouldn't our skill points be in offensive skills? Since bark doesn't add to auto attack, it takes away from a damaging skill.