Celtic Heroes

It was pretower. It was the very first mord kill on ios I believe. So that was a bit back.

And yes it does suck using that many lix. I'm on lvling hiatus atm and just providing raid support

Yeah, rangers and rogues got way better with the addition of dl armor and weps. Dl dagger/bow and rondel/quiver were significantly better than any shop or aggy versions, but dl totem was even worse than some aggy books lol. And dl armor sets added 500 damage to their autos but barely helped casters. I stopped playing my druid once more and more rogues got dl and more druids got to 180 which lowered my dps cause of dot overlap

Druids are great dps for training, when they are in a group. But a full dps druid is absolutely not soloing in tower. And a druid built to solo (bark, winds/root) is not outdpsing solo-train built rogues rangers warriors or mages. Of course druids are capable of outdpsing worse geared toons on a few select bosses. If you look at any raid boss, you don't have much of a chance. Viviane, I didn't say druids suck or are completely underpowered; there's just no denying that they need a buff in order to have competitive dps at a high level. I notice that your dot skills are below 50...you do realize that if any other high level dps came along with maxed vines and swarm you're doing about 1/4 of your normal dps right? aka less dps than a tank using an offhand shield and no str. The fact that dps druids are gimped when more than one is present is a major contributor to their mediocre bossing capabilities.

Yeah I know but as surprising as it can be , i am not in one of the top clans on my world , so i use the gear i obtained throught a few aggy kills(ls+ 7 , storm touch + 6 , vines +4 )full dl and a swarm ring dropped in tower.
But I just wanted to tell the druid community that druids were not that ''Under powered'' as some other druids like to think.
Even without magic lures , i kill pretty fast , i can get the lvl 200 mon to 6/8 of his health before my vines expires.And i still can outdps warriors , mages and rangers. Guess 3 dot skills does help , and maybe if we want to deal more and more damage , maybe one of nercros totem(which adds another dot skill) may be a solution to our ''not so good dps''

To put it in simple terms, and to reiterate what many other experienced druids have stated:
This game revolves around a) leveling and b) bossing
Leveling is broken up into two categories: solo and group
Bossing is broken up into two categories: dps and support

1. Druids training solo are very ineffective. Either low xp/lix, or slightly less low xp/lix with many pots used. A training build often not work well as a bossing build (requiring frequent alt books if you're a main druid)
2. Druids training in groups do quite well; enough dps to hold their own and save everyone else pots without being a complete exp leach. Overall, no complaints here
3. Druids support on bosses are necessary, but how boring does it get to sit there touching nature touch every couple seconds? If enough druids are there already, any additional are largely wasted. Againg, no complaints here. Every clan needs them and some people like doing this.
4. Druid dps on bosses: lowest overall out of any class. What makes it especially bad is that vines/swarm comprises most of a druid dps, and with 5 dps druids present, each is doing less than half their max potential

Noone has any complaints about categories 2 and 3: group training and supporting. But what about the solo aspect of the game? And the dps aspect? Once you get to tower almost everything revolves around dps. Most worlds that aren't doing necro aren't lacking druids, they're lacking dps. Most worlds that leave edl 6* up aren't lacking heals, they're lacking dps to beat rage. Druids are named "druids" for a reason. If they were to be classified only as a support, otm should've named them healers. But they're called druids and have dps skills, and therefore should be able to dps in the same atmosphere as other classes.

I had been a dps druid since stonevale, and back then and throughout otherworld and most of carrow, a dps druid worked fine. I had the sigils (3300) to avoid the problems others were encountering. I was clever enough to use ring swapping, different offhands depending on boss, use spreadsheets to calculate my max possible dps, etc. I would often beat similarly leveled dps classes due to my build and once I reached 180 and got the skill points to 40+ I was starting to get some kills on carrowmore and raid bosses. But as more rangers and rogues got armor and wep sets, druids got worse by comparison. As more mordris spears and helms and hrungnir rings and braces dropped, druids got worse by comparison. Once a caster has all their skills at 50 skill points (only 4 for a druid), the only way to increase dps further is by adding focus/naturemagic, or with dmg boosting gear. Back then the only damage booster pieces were mordris braces (none exist for dps druids) and hrungnir helms (a good lightning strike drops once a year). So druids can barely increase their dps between an ok geared 180 and a fully geared 220. Edl armor just made the gap wider between dps druids and melee dps. I strongly support the idea that dps druids are due for a new skill or a considerable buff/reworking to existing skills

My swarms hits 1k no problem and my build is awesome, I'm out dpsing the Rangers, rogues and mages I level with almost every kill because vines and swarms are such great DOTs. Again, I am NOT an end game druid, and I had mentioned in my previous post that I've solo leveled on some occasions leading up to my level today - not just 90-120.

I'm 183 so I'm not dpsing on EDL or hrung I'm healing like a good druid no matter how good my build is I wouldn't expect a 183 druid to out dps a 216 rogue on EDL shm.

There is a level 222 druid named Aceboy99 on my server who solo leveled in tower and never complained.

Read things properly before you decide to throw back an argument and make a fool of yourself.

This is total fabrication....
... out dpsing Rangers, rouges and mages?????? with almost every kill????? with vines and swarms??????

Please do not post fabrications on something you clearly are NOT doing. I dual level with my 206 Rogue and I can tell you firsthand that the mob is often dead before my swarms actually had a chance to tick. If you don't know, both vines and swarm spells have a long casting time, then when they do land on a target they do ZERO damage. You have to wait another full tick before any damage is done. This makes producing damage incredibly S---L---O---W. So much so that I have abandoned my swarm skill all together and replaced it with Storm. I kept finding that two DOT's could not generate enough DPS fast enough to make a difference.

Basically, I am say, Swarm sucks.

Both VInes and Swarm could be greatly improved if they did damage as they land on the target, just like almost every other skill.

I also read about a Mage using Magic Lure???? I have never seen that happen... ever... doubtful any Mage would ever put point into Magic Lure, just not worth it.

Read things properly before you decide to throw back an argument and make a fool of yourself!

+1 Perl. I agree 100% to your post. I dropped swarm for storm and my mage doesn't even have a magic lure in a hot bar.

This is total fabrication....
... out dpsing Rangers, rouges and mages?????? with almost every kill????? with vines and swarms??????

Please do not post fabrications on something you clearly are NOT doing. I dual level with my 206 Rogue and I can tell you firsthand that the mob is often dead before my swarms actually had a chance to tick. If you don't know, both vines and swarm spells have a long casting time, then when they do land on a target they do ZERO damage. You have to wait another full tick before any damage is done. This makes producing damage incredibly S---L---O---W. So much so that I have abandoned my swarm skill all together and replaced it with Storm. I kept finding that two DOT's could not generate enough DPS fast enough to make a difference.

Basically, I am say, Swarm sucks.

Both VInes and Swarm could be greatly improved if they did damage as they land on the target, just like almost every other skill.

I also read about a Mage using Magic Lure???? I have never seen that happen... ever... doubtful any Mage would ever put point into Magic Lure, just not worth it.

Read things properly before you decide to throw back an argument and make a fool of yourself!

Thank you, I almost felt bad cause I thought I may have been wrong having not played a druid in so long lol. When I soloed to 190 on wyrms pretower, I would drop swarm as well whenever I trained. I wouldn't go so far as to say it sucks overall but i had no use for it during training. I was melee build with maxed winds, vines, lightning, storm, rest in touch/bark. My autos hit just as high as swarm often did, every second or two (not 5 secs) and found that storm was a much better use for my points. Didn't think anything had changed since then (if anything, less effective with the addition of poison resist). Swarm was only useful on bosses back then, and now even less so

I agree and disagree , my take on druids is that we do need a little bit of tweaking , we are not a bad class we do our roles the best and no one can complain about our main roles . I don't want to hear that bs about druids out dpsing rouges and mages in a leveling group , that's just not true unless there mages and rouges have terrible gear . For 1 bees does need a huge change but not in the way people are saying . If bees does do as much damage as vines we will start out dpsing a lot of classes .
Vines does 1.2-1.8k per tick for me at level 180 , lightning strike hits around 1.5k-3k storm 1.5-3k and I don't use bees . I kill at a pretty decent speed I get around .7 bars a lix which is bad for all other classes but usually a druid won't make it over .5 bars solo sk . It really depends on your gear , it's make or break a good druid . And for anyone laughing at Magic lure on a mage lmao PLEASE try it before saying a single word about it .
A dps druid with magic lure will frequently out dps a rouge , I can hit 4.5-5k lightning . 2.2k vines and 4k storm touch with the gesr I wear. I have 3 royal silverweb rings of lightning strike that's why it hits a lot harder than storm
. So instead of adding more damage , just give druids an extra xp bonus like idk 20%? I don't want more damage I just want the same gains from a sk as any other class . It's pretty bs that we will get .5 bars on a lix while a rouge will solo it and get 1-2bars I've seen rouges get 2.5 bars on wc at my level , that's ridiculous.

All classes do a lot better with their lure lol. Cool, a druid training with a maxed lure may do more dps than a rogue without assassin lure (still no). But give a ranger/rogue assassin lure and compare with a druid with magic lure and you're proportionally still way worse. 5k every 10 seconds, 2.2k every 5 seconds...some 180+ rangers are hitting 3k every 1.1 secs on training mobs, gl beating that with your dots. And what mage uses magic lure? Only those with a high level dps druid on a 2nd device. And very few people have a mage and druid as their only two high level characters. The only lure I ever consider using besides fire is pierce, because it helps so much on bosses and group training. Magic lure? Complete waste lol

I also read about a Mage using Magic Lure???? I have never seen that happen... ever... doubtful any Mage would ever put point into Magic Lure, just not worth it.

Read things properly before you decide to throw back an argument and make a fool of yourself!

As surprising as it can be , i lvl with a mage named Inex , and she decided to throw 30 points in lure of magic , since she noticed that i could outdps ranger, mages(even herself) and warriors. I cannot outdps rogues on such short fights tho but believe it or not , a mage did put some points into Lure of Magic
Guess when she saw me hitting 4K storm on mobs without lures she thought that we should give it a try and my best hit so far is a 7.4k storm touch.
At the moment i own the highest skill damage on Morrrigan for druids using a lvling build.