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Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

#1
I'm known for my ranger, but I have a level 36 druid that I have been fettle leveling here and there. I know the fettles run out of steam at level 40 so my question is wether or not I should go DPS to level up, and if so to what level before I should switch to full support? OR should I just start with full support from the start and just work on being the best support druid that I can be? I've seen some really impressive druids in Taranis, one that Ive seen pretty often is Royal seraphim and Ive heard its a full support build. I have a tough as nails ranger to farm for gold, etc.. so I wont be needing my druid to do any of that. It is just my own pet project that eventually I'll be able call in whenever we need some serious healing. Any tips and advice will be appreciated.
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

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Really depends on how dependent on others you want to be; and I guess how much of a Support you want to be. Pure support with no a dps skill will be Pure dependent on others for leveling, so you better hope you find people to level with.


personally, as I am somewhat in the same boat, I plan to be mostly DPS (keep two orig healing skills up) until L100 at least, more if I can do it. Speaking as a hunter, I didn't feel the need for a druid until around those levels - for training obviously. Druids are a must in most bossing. I much rather prefer another DPS to train with, if at all.
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

#3
I'm known for my ranger, but I have a level 36 druid that I have been fettle leveling here and there. I know the fettles run out of steam at level 40 so my question is wether or not I should go DPS to level up, and if so to what level before I should switch to full support? OR should I just start with full support from the start and just work on being the best support druid that I can be? I've seen some really impressive druids in Taranis, one that Ive seen pretty often is Royal seraphim and Ive heard its a full support build. I have a tough as nails ranger to farm for gold, etc.. so I wont be needing my druid to do any of that. It is just my own pet project that eventually I'll be able call in whenever we need some serious healing. Any tips and advice will be appreciated.
Hello, thank you for mentioning me. Yes, i am in Taranis, i am one of the few druids that only leveled as full to pure support, as i am purely support, from beginning to the end, as i do not plan on becoming a dps druid anytime soon. But there was this desperate time of 115-120 when i leveled in a day. I was a dps druid then. My clanmates neede the heal, so i stepped up. The only problem with not using real life money on sigils, energy to be exact, is that it hinders you from soloing, leveling from 100 and above. Yes i have started full support from the beginning, but this was the only desperate time i actually used a dps build for leveling.if compacted into every second, i would say that my druid became 120 in a matter of a few days. Leveling dps even from the start, without a main character, appeals you to energy regeneration, whether it be energy sigils, or energy regeneration items. My friends were already level 70 when i started this druid, now i am 120 and they are still 90 and 100. No competition there. Other classes kill faster than druids, but i have to admit, my druid can out dps most classes around my level and above to 5-10 levels. Energy is the limit for spell-based characters, as you may know. But i have to note that there is no perfect build to every class, each class is unique, and each person is unique in comparison to others. Play how you feel, but i do urge you to be full or pure support if you want to succeed faster than the rest. Let other people do the work, they do in fact kill faster, but less experience.

Here is the thing, being full support, you can get someone else to do the dirty work for you, for example killing two mobs non stop. While being a dps druid, you have to stop, buff, heal, and then dps, and maybe re-cast your buffs, and maybe heal again, which wastes precious time if you plan on using elixers. Let us say that by the time you kill a mob, the person you partnered up already killed two or even more mobs compared to you, which is silly because basically, two kills for a group level is the same as killing one mob as a solo build druid. Here is the catch, the group leveling idea, full support, enables you and your partner to level more efficiently since that person is not taking the time to buff himself as he does not need it, your buffs towards him hinders the effectivity of his buffs in the long run. So, you can basically kill for example, fifty mobs per elixer, while your dps counterpart only kills around 20, or even less. Rogues especially i would advice to partner up regularly.

But, here is a short tip of being a dps druid at over level 100 and not having energy sigils, but sufficient energy regeneration items : level with a mage outside the group. Being a dps accounts for needing help, magic lure helps, a lot actually. Without magic lure, my storm touch does around 300-400 damage. With magic lure maxed out with 30/30, my damage does 1,000 most of the time, well there are the occasional 900's, but i dont think it matters the most, as your lightning strike also does phenominal damage, backed with magic lure, mine does around 700-800 damage. Well you see, with leveling full support, you can level at the same rate, or even faster than the person using a dps build.

As a side note, there were many other builds that interested me. Morphmarfa, another druid i know in Taranis, uses a howling wind build, but this only compromises if you have amazing defense, and a high attack. This howling wind method is a way to introduce druids to melee leveling, as well as spell-casting. The previous event, the dragon drops from ythair, helps so much with this build. Seeing as i never use my radiant set, which is silly for a pure support build to have, covering my heal with hp or energy additives that are inferior to heal, i think they are worthless, not being a dps and all. Another thing to note, only cavern wyverns are the only high leveled mob that does pure melee or auto-attack damage. This is partly the reason why i don't use the howling wind build, as skills cut out on my casts, interruptions, and may lead to death as I've tried it.

If you want more information of my build, status, skills used, and the quantities of both, please leave a reply, positive and negative is greatly appreciated, as i also aim to learn. Any questions on either full (i recently converted to pure support) to pure support, or even the dps build i used, is greatly appreciated, and will be answered if capable.

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

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I think that other druid you were referring to me :)

and yes all you say is true except that if you are melee building that uses HW with decent heal you can also lvl with rouge and kill mobs even faster and you dont need to heal as much since HW is taking place and only can be damaged by skills and the occasional melee (unless the mobs attack is like in the negatives-) so you can kill mob faster with partner. Also it is hard to find a lvling partner in taranis which is a bummer so if you are dps you dot always need partner.

Maybe thats why me and Morph have started to lvl incredibly fast for druid and also Morph has reached 150.

Ps: if i work hard and have a mage outside group luring and cloaking me i can lvl twice in about 3 elix at lvl 100 which is also excellent

Also dps druid is also alot more fun then being support and you need to think what enemy it is and is it worth debuffing it? Or saving your skill up for cast on next enemy since this one is about to die ect...
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

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Ps: if i work hard and have a mage outside group luring and cloaking me i can lvl twice in about 3 elix at lvl 100 which is also excellent

Also dps druid is also alot more fun then being support and you need to think what enemy it is and is it worth debuffing it? Or saving your skill up for cast on next enemy since this one is about to die ect...
Well there you go, exactly what i was speaking of. There are different builds for different occasions. If you want to level faster, choose a full to pure support build, pure support builds having no hit-points(hp) at all. Like godzilla said, he leveled twice within three elixers, whilst I leveled within one and a quarter elixers. Which saved so much money! It also gave me the oppurtunity to save more money as well. It all depends on the person.

Well with my situation, i have had friends in the counter-part clan in Taranis, theILLUMINATI. One or two invited me to join them level at the cavern wyverns located near the Aggragoth spawn is, at level 73. This is the benefits of being a full to pure support! Exactly as i was saying, but before, i leveled twice with one elixer, having more than enough to have a quarter or more points into experience after i have already leveled. Compare that 14,000-16,000 experience to the regular amount of around 6,000-12,000 when doing dps druid build. As i do recommend the full support build, like i said, it is all up to the player.

Choose wisely and enjoy your day, not making fun of the dps druid build, just making a difference, or comparison as it is called.

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis

PS : We always had mages to level with to make thigs faster.
RoyalSeraphim, Druid of Taranis

Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

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WOW. Awsome posts. Thank you all for such great insight and feedback. I think I'm sold on the full support build and since this toon will be only used for the purpose of supporting others its fantastic. So basically EVERY stat point that I get goes into focus? So far skill-wise Ive put points into nature touch, bark, meditation, and I forget the name but the one that increases over all health. I figure once I get enough regen for this 2nd main character that I can dump the meditation and put those points into the heal over time skill. I can see why pairing with rogues would be optimal for both parties. Once this druid is leveled up enough would diamond gear be a good choice? Thanks again.
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

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WOW. Awsome posts. Thank you all for such great insight and feedback. I think I'm sold on the full support build and since this toon will be only used for the purpose of supporting others its fantastic. So basically EVERY stat point that I get goes into focus? So far skill-wise Ive put points into nature touch, bark, meditation, and I forget the name but the one that increases over all health. I figure once I get enough regen for this 2nd main character that I can dump the meditation and put those points into the heal over time skill. I can see why pairing with rogues would be optimal for both parties. Once this druid is leveled up enough would diamond gear be a good choice? Thanks again.

If you are speaking of optimizing your heals and buffs and such, not worrying about energy since you have energy sigils i presume? If you don't you need to buy at least 200 energy sigils or energy regeneration items. Rings of meditate is also a must since at higher levels, your nature's touch will consume a heck load of energy.

The gear you should be getting are as follows :

•Diamonds, apart from the cowl
•Golden Crown of Wizardry
•Heroic Amulet of Energization (if you have) or Rejuvination will also suffice.
•(three options)
a) two wyrm bracelets, wyrmscale and wyrmtail since you cannot wear any more than one of the same bracelets when it comes to wyvern-dropped bracelets. Wyrmtail and wyrmscale adds focus, as well as two others in different stats.
b)revenant bracelet of invigoration, and the lesser one of it, with 5 energy per tick, with a total of 15 energy per tick.
c) one wyvern-dropped bracelet, and a revenant ring i invigoration.
•Master's Grimoire

That is about it, any more questions, just reply, and thank you for choosing the full support build, this is very good news as druids excell in healing, not dps. But my druid does out dps many classes without any damage rings or any skill rings present.

•If you want a full support build, i would choose 120 in vitality, and the rest should be focus.
•if you choose my build, pure support, i would put all recieved stat points into focus.

PS : i changed to pure support build since i knew my buffs were good enough to get me anywhere without the use of idols. Another thing, if you so choose full support or pure, you must choose your buffs wisely, the one or two that benefits you the most. I specialize in abundance which adds 1,000+ hp for me as well as others(as the one you are speaking of, the one that adds hit-points or hp), nature's embrace which regenerates health with 181 hit-points per tick, and nature's touch, my highest heal is 1,382, number three in Taranis.

I do encourage you, as well as others to coordinate with the other people in the clan so that you don't waste skill points in the skills the others already maxed in. I bid you farewell and good luck!

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis
RoyalSeraphim, Druid of Taranis

Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

#8
WOW. Awsome posts. Thank you all for such great insight and feedback. I think I'm sold on the full support build and since this toon will be only used for the purpose of supporting others its fantastic. So basically EVERY stat point that I get goes into focus? So far skill-wise Ive put points into nature touch, bark, meditation, and I forget the name but the one that increases over all health. I figure once I get enough regen for this 2nd main character that I can dump the meditation and put those points into the heal over time skill. I can see why pairing with rogues would be optimal for both parties. Once this druid is leveled up enough would diamond gear be a good choice? Thanks again.

If you are speaking of optimizing your heals and buffs and such, not worrying about energy since you have energy sigils i presume? If you don't you need to buy at least 200 energy sigils or energy regeneration items. Rings of meditate is also a must since at higher levels, your nature's touch will consume a heck load of energy.

The gear you should be getting are as follows :

•Diamonds, apart from the cowl
•Golden Crown of Wizardry
•Heroic Amulet of Energization (if you have) or Rejuvination will also suffice.
•(three options)
a) two wyrm bracelets, wyrmscale and wyrmtail since you cannot wear any more than one of the same bracelets when it comes to wyvern-dropped bracelets. Wyrmtail and wyrmscale adds focus, as well as two others in different stats.
b)revenant bracelet of invigoration, and the lesser one of it, with 5 energy per tick, with a total of 15 energy per tick.
c) one wyvern-dropped bracelet, and a revenant ring i invigoration.
•Master's Grimoire

That is about it, any more questions, just reply, and thank you for choosing the full support build, this is very good news as druids excell in healing, not dps. But my druid does out dps many classes without any damage rings or any skill rings present.

•If you want a full support build, i would choose 120 in vitality, and the rest should be focus.
•if you choose my build, pure support, i would put all recieved stat points into focus.

PS : i changed to pure support build since i knew my buffs were good enough to get me anywhere without the use of idols. Another thing, if you so choose full support or pure, you must choose your buffs wisely, the one or two that benefits you the most. I specialize in abundance which adds 1,000+ hp for me as well as others(as the one you are speaking of, the one that adds hit-points or hp), nature's embrace which regenerates health with 181 hit-points per tick, and nature's touch, my highest heal is 1,382, number three in Taranis.

I do encourage you, as well as others to coordinate with the other people in the clan so that you don't waste skill points in the skills the others already maxed in. I bid you farewell and good luck!

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis
Guess I needa alt book then lol... So 10 vit?(starting lvl) and everything in foc? (guess I need 550k I think, book/orb and ice/fire/magic blade.)
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Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

#9
No to the orb ( you won't need the extra 10 energy per tick, i have had my master's grimoire since 70 or so), and definitely no to the blades of fire, magic, or ice.

You can't just mix two different disciplines together. If you want to so pure support, then you are. If you want to do pure dps, then you must. You can not combine both builds, unless you are making a character in the middle, which is called a hybrid.

•Pure support, no vitality (10, the standard), and the rest is focus. I do not, not do i ever want to recommend usin golden blade of ice, magic, or fire when bein pure support. Your health is too low to be a dps while having high heal. You are completely baffling me as what you are trying to make as a build.

•Full dps, you need 120-180 vitality, and the rest as focus. This i do not recommend blades of fire, magic, or ice either, as i did my experiment, without strenght, dexterity, or both to help you, you won't do much damage. I would suggest getting trident of magic, fire, or ice as you please. But i do warn you, if OTM ends up releasing ice-based mobs, you are better off with a magic trident, or blade if you are stubborn. Magic is sort of neutral in a way. Magic offers you to do phenominal damage to ice, and fire mobs without switching or wasting money towards a focused offhand (as in fire, or ice weapon, not focus as in the stat). If you buy an ice-based trident, you can do loads of damage towards 120+ leveled mobs, but if OTM ever adds in ice-based mobs, the item is useless since others will be using fire or magic offhands, no one will be selling, especially in Taranis.

So to sum it up, better be neutral than sorry. Being focused on an elemental (fire or ice) offhand means you have a lot of gold to spare. As you will most likely end up buying from the scavenger shop, which costs around 50k more than what users sell.

And another, off-topic theory, i think that OTM will release ice-based mobs in the next update since they have given us a sneak peak with the items available now. Yes, if you have guessed it, the frozen wraith charm. I think this is a foreshadow of what is to come

Feedback appreciated, any questions, just ask.

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis
RoyalSeraphim, Druid of Taranis

Re: Better to start DPS and then switch over to support?

#10
um.., blade was for my ranger... Lol
No to the orb ( you won't need the extra 10 energy per tick, i have had my master's grimoire since 70 or so), and definitely no to the blades of fire, magic, or ice.

You can't just mix two different disciplines together. If you want to so pure support, then you are. If you want to do pure dps, then you must. You can not combine both builds, unless you are making a character in the middle, which is called a hybrid.

•Pure support, no vitality (10, the standard), and the rest is focus. I do not, not do i ever want to recommend usin golden blade of ice, magic, or fire when bein pure support. Your health is too low to be a dps while having high heal. You are completely baffling me as what you are trying to make as a build.

•Full dps, you need 120-180 vitality, and the rest as focus. This i do not recommend blades of fire, magic, or ice either, as i did my experiment, without strenght, dexterity, or both to help you, you won't do much damage. I would suggest getting trident of magic, fire, or ice as you please. But i do warn you, if OTM ends up releasing ice-based mobs, you are better off with a magic trident, or blade if you are stubborn. Magic is sort of neutral in a way. Magic offers you to do phenominal damage to ice, and fire mobs without switching or wasting money towards a focused offhand (as in fire, or ice weapon, not focus as in the stat). If you buy an ice-based trident, you can do loads of damage towards 120+ leveled mobs, but if OTM ever adds in ice-based mobs, the item is useless since others will be using fire or magic offhands, no one will be selling, especially in Taranis.

So to sum it up, better be neutral than sorry. Being focused on an elemental (fire or ice) offhand means you have a lot of gold to spare. As you will most likely end up buying from the scavenger shop, which costs around 50k more than what users sell.

And another, off-topic theory, i think that OTM will release ice-based mobs in the next update since they have given us a sneak peak with the items available now. Yes, if you have guessed it, the frozen wraith charm. I think this is a foreshadow of what is to come

Feedback appreciated, any questions, just ask.

Regards, RoyalSeraphim of Taranis
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