Celtic Heroes

If they made bow auto damage work off Dex than off Str... It even makes sense ("bow Str" is mechanical, not from your own physique, so it's your accuracy that counts more). If they did that, we could use our skills *and* be a bit more useful as dps. Wouldn't that be a thing...

Mages got mad when firebolt got a cast time. Where's the love? I say shadow strike needs a cast time to feel the pain. Let the bashing begin.

I do think mage damage should be increased a bit, but like most damage increases, people will complain about pvp

I am a rogue and i can officially say rogues dont get the kills every time. You're probably basing this topic off of a rogue with all event and mordris items. Well yeah a rogue with all that will out dps most mages. A mage that is geared the right way can take out a boss and get the kill no problem

The rogue will out dps the mage every time unless the mage has amazing gear and has spent bucket loads of cash on sigils. We are not debating who can throw more cash at their character, we are trying to balance them.

This game is obviously geared far more towards the melee classes, theres really no debating that, its a fact.
Now how do we fix it?
For mages- Evades should be reduced and skill dmg fluctuation should be changed to top 25% of skill dmg only, and a slight armour boost should be added (frozen warrior bp has more armour than full dl, pretty ridiculous).
For druid- e cost should be reduced
For rangers- they need a minor (as in noticibly different, but no overkill) dps boost
For warriors/rogues- these are the classes i based the changes off of
This would work well to balance imo

+1 ^^^ this

Of course a solution is to level all classes to end game and equip with all pro gear and pro equipps amd thousands of sigils per toon. Then unless they nerf everyone or introduce a new op class you will always have the best class for the job.

Dude, let a mage solo something, and let a rogue solo something..
A mage can lure and benefit himself on solo.
A rogue cant lure and does less damage when he soloes.
Now, rogue against a lured mob causes insanely high dmg for the rogue.

You're going to get a bunch of rogues on this thread saying how weak rogues are Here's a fact: in MMOs you ususally have the top DPS have the lowest armor. It's called being a "glass cannon". But in this game, the top DPS can also tank because they have better armor than caster classes. Right now, this game is tipped toward melee classes, with rogues being the most notable example because they always are able to use target lock to grab a mob because of their high damage and instant damage skills. If you are battling a rogue for a mob in PVE, you might as well go home if you are not a rogue.

Why arent u the admin?

Here's a fact: in MMOs you ususally have the top DPS have the lowest armor. It's called being a "glass cannon".

And thats so true, on another game ik (Neverwinter), a mage there is the glass cannon, they're squishy, not good at all this tanking and kiting, but the dps is insane, but all classes there can be awesome dps.

One of the things really annoying me in this game, is the uselessness of AoE effect, usually aoes should increase ur dps greatly, here many aoes are weak and u wouldnt like to use one for many mobs at once unless u really like dying, blast, firestorm and swarm could do much more dps if they would work as AoE's, same goes for sweeping blow and any other AoE (that i can think of right now)

Couldn't have said it myself. As to those justifying mages being good at 'low level' pvp. May I just stress the LOW and the PVP part. Not once have I ever had a thought, oh I better find the best PVP build to get better end game gear.

I do high level PvP and I can beat almost all characters… My pvp build is also identical to my leveling build.

To the OP, I think that fire mages are a serious DPS class. I deal more damage on most bosses (except red meteoric bosses) than rogues my level dish out.

As for leveling, I do 3-4k damage per hit on mobs my level. I easily outdps all other classes, including rogues, in my level group. I leveled with M7 (level 150 rogue) once, so he can vouch for this.

Dude, let a mage solo something, and let a rogue solo something..
A mage can lure and benefit himself on solo.
A rogue cant lure and does less damage when he soloes.
Now, rogue against a lured mob causes insanely high dmg for the rogue.

Poison dmg + shadowstrike + life steal + hp + armor
Mage now :
Lure + dmg that can be evaded with big fluctuation

Dude, let a mage solo something, and let a rogue solo something..
A mage can lure and benefit himself on solo.
A rogue cant lure and does less damage when he soloes.
Now, rogue against a lured mob causes insanely high dmg for the rogue.

Poison dmg + shadowstrike + life steal + hp + armor
Mage now :
Lure + dmg that can be evaded with big fluctuation

I m not asking to be able to solo more , i ask for a dps buff on mage .
Its not a problem to be a glass canon , but we should get in exchange real dmg .
A rogues with 2k hp should do the same dmg as a mage with 2k hp
(In fact The mage should do even more dmg than the rogue since he has no armor )

Dude, let a mage solo something, and let a rogue solo something..
A mage can lure and benefit himself on solo.
A rogue cant lure and does less damage when he soloes.
Now, rogue against a lured mob causes insanely high dmg for the rogue.

Sorry i have to disagree with you, and here's why:
1) mages do not have an autoattack like rogues do to supplement their damage, or to save them when they run out of energy.
2) rouges can lock mobs with one hit, or take a caster 50 levels above down to half health in pvp before the he knows what hit him
3) rogues can solo afk in aggragoth's cave and make 100k a day. Mages cant do that.
4) rogues generate more aggro, and this can tank mobs better than mages.
5) rogues can use weapon speed lix when leveling so they can kill mobs faster. Mages do not have lix to help their skills cast faster. So a rogue is better for leveling too.
6) skill evades: when a rogue skill evades the rogue can just autoattack. When a mage skill evades, and it does often, the mage is not doing any dps and will probably die.

Im sorry but in all aspects, soloing, farming, pvp, and tanking, rogues are far superior to mages. When it comes to other classes, rogues are best for farming and solo leveling. They cant solo bosses the best but rogues are necessary for getting the lock on bosses when you are battling other clans. Rogues also get the kill on most bosses as well, from my experience at least. In pvp, the only class other than another rogue that can kill them is a tank warrior.

For the most part, rogues are king in this game. And mages do not come close to what a rogue can do. That is why in v4 so many people make rogues, and mages are a dying breed.