Celtic Heroes

ice skills not only have longer cooldowns but also longer casting times.
i could probably cast two firebolts and a firestorm at the same time as you cast ice shards and ice blast

Cooldown isnt cast time. I can cast a ice blast and ice shard before fire can shoot 2 bolts and a storm.

You also have to wait for lure when leveling, if you kill fast so that makes cooldowns less important.

I have gotten kills on bosses over fire mages with ice also.

ice skills not only have longer cooldowns but also longer casting times.
i could probably cast two firebolts and a firestorm at the same time as you cast ice shards and ice blast

Cooldown isnt cast time. I can cast a ice blast and ice shard before fire can shoot 2 bolts and a storm.

You also have to wait for lure when leveling, if you kill fast so that makes cooldowns less important.

I have gotten kills on bosses over fire mages with ice also.

i clearly stated that cooldown and cast time were separate things.
the lure has a quick cooldown and i have no problem with it.
your lure will be ready to go and you will still be waiting on ice shard and blast cooldowns
cooldowns are not less important because it isn't about one kill. it is about getting as many kills as possible as quickly as possible.
and you don't kill fast when it comes to leveling. you kill slooooow because you are waiting on cool downs while a fire mage is already killing something else.

it is ALL about dps!

Since you don't seem to understand what this is so i will explain.

dps stands for damage per second.
what this means is that on average you do X amount of damage every second

so when you add together how much damage a fire mage is doing compared to what a ice mage is doing a fire mages damage will add up to more.

the only way you can beat a fire mages dps is through having way better gear. if a fire mage has gear then he will beat an ice mage every time. assuming he has a decent fire mage build.

ice skills not only have longer cooldowns but also longer casting times.
i could probably cast two firebolts and a firestorm at the same time as you cast ice shards and ice blast

i clearly stated that cooldown and cast time were separate things.

You clearly said i could probably CAST 2 firebolt and a firestorm at the same time i could cast a ice blast and shard.

your lure will be ready to go and you will still be waiting on ice shard and blast cooldowns
cooldowns are not less important because it isn't about one kill. it is about getting as many kills as possible as quickly as possible.

A good mage will kill most mobs in the 15 second time period of the lure. A ice mage can kill leveling mobs faster, so it makes the cooldown less important for ice.

and you don't kill fast when it comes to leveling. you kill slooooow because you are waiting on cool downs while a fire mage is already killing something else.

Idk if you played ice before but leveling is easy and quick as ice.

it is ALL about dps!

Since you don't seem to understand what this is so i will explain.

dps stands for damage per second.
what this means is that on average you do X amount of damage every second

so when you add together how much damage a fire mage is doing compared to what a ice mage is doing a fire mages damage will add up to more.

Since you don't seem to understand burst damage ill explain it to you. Burst damage is short term dps, as in the abilty to deal massive damage quickly. An enemy with say 20k health will die in 2 10k ice hits, or 3 7k fire hits. The ice can kill in 2 shots with no cooldown to wait on. The fire can kill in 3, but having to wait for a firebolt to recharge to be able to kill, making fire slower in that fight.

the only way you can beat a fire mages dps is through having way better gear. if a fire mage has gear then he will beat an ice mage every time. assuming he has a decent fire mage build.

Wrong. What you are is a preference, as there isn't much difference but there are slight advantages to some like i said. I have gotten the kill over fire mages and rogues before as ice.

there are so many logic errors in your post that i will not be continuing this argument. clearly you don't understand basic logic

you don't understand the meaning of the word dps even when i try to explain it to you

you talk like a cooldown and a casting time are the same thing. they are two totally two SEPARATE things!!!!!!!!

the ice mage can kill the mob while the lure is still active but he will have to wait to attack again because even though his lure is ready the ice shards and blast are not ready.

an ice mage may kill the first mob faster but a fire mage will kill the second one faster.

Cool downs always matters!!!

i have leveled an ice before that is how i know which is better.

leveling isn't about a SINGLE mob!!! it is about killing as many as possible as quickly as possible.

burst damage is called burst damage for a reason. it comes in bursts. a fire mage is continually doing damage. if you add up over a period of time all the ice shards and ice blast and you add up all the firebolts and firestorms the fire adds up to more damage. which is all that really matters.

Clearly you do not understand my point. If you don't understand the differences between fire and ice thats fine, but dont argue false information. Ice is better short term dps, and fire is better long term dps. There's an intersection point where they equal out(provided they have equal gear). This is how fire and ice will always work, i choose to be ice because most enemies don't have much health, and most boss fights i see are short, like *4 and *5. Fire is for longer boss fights mainly. When you say i don't understand the difference between cast and cooldown, its the opposite, you don't understand it. You said 2 firebolts and a firestorm before an ice shard and blast. You cannot cast 2 firebolts directly after each other, theres cooldown. When you say ice mages have to wait for their attacks, thats not as bad as you think. You just have to alternate attacks, ice blast shard, then shard blast, etc. You also don't have to just fight 1 mob at a time... Not hard to fight 2 enemies at once if you lure both and blast em(double dmg, more dps). Luring an enemy, ice shard, then lure another and ice shard and blast both, where burst damage beats fire by alot. If you do not understand ice mage leveling tactics thats fine, dont say ice is bad without knowing how to use it though.

i know how to use an ice mage and fire does more damage per second than ice. the only short term that applies to your argument is a less than 10 second one. anything past that and the damage a fire mage is doing adds up to more.

they do NOT equal out the fire mage deals more damage when you add all the damage together.

the order would obviously be firebolt then firestorm then another firebolt

i know how bad the cooldowns are because i have done an ice mage. while your skills do come back the fire skills come back faster. waaay faster. because the skills on a fire mage come back soooo much faster they do more damage per second.

Have you ever done a fire mage?

You cannot cast 2 firebolts directly after each other, theres cooldown.

Yeah a cool down of a second or so..

Anything past the 20 second mark, fire mages excel in.

3 and 4* mobs in tower take longer than 20 seconds to solo, even in a group 4* take quite a while.

DL 5* bosses take a minute or two with a good group to kill.

Generally you can only out dps fire mage as ice on weak mobs during leveling. Also you have to waste an entire cool down to finish a mob with like 1-2k health left whereas fire mage can quickly recast so it isn't an issue.

So ice mage is only good for 5* boss locking and sigil regeneration.

You cannot cast 2 firebolts directly after each other, theres cooldown.

Yeah a cool down of a second or so..

Anything past the 20 second mark, fire mages excel in.

3 and 4* mobs in tower take longer than 20 seconds to solo, even in a group 4* take quite a while.

DL 5* bosses take a minute or two with a good group to kill.

Generally you can only out dps fire mage as ice on weak mobs during leveling. Also you have to waste an entire cool down to finish a mob with like 1-2k health left whereas fire mage can quickly recast so it isn't an issue.

So ice mage is only good for 5* boss locking and sigil regeneration.

6 seconds for firebolt.

Id say anything past 5 min is fire mage territory(though i got the kill on long boss fights before)

3* are normally 20 seconds about, 4* can be more, but i still belive ice is better dps there.

Dl 5s are still fast, would be an ice kill

For leveling, ice will win. To play it smart if a enemy has 1-2k hp you can pull a double kill and start the next enemy and throw a ice blast. If you miss you can always throw an ice shard at the weak enemy.

For competitive worlds ice is best for locking, in free worlds lock doesnt matter, so you can be what you want. Ice is also good for leveling and killing 99% of the enemies in the game.

i know how to use an ice mage and fire does more damage per second than ice. the only short term that applies to your argument is a less than 10 second one. anything past that and the damage a fire mage is doing adds up to more.

they do NOT equal out the fire mage deals more damage when you add all the damage together.

the order would obviously be firebolt then firestorm then another firebolt

i know how bad the cooldowns are because i have done an ice mage. while your skills do come back the fire skills come back faster. waaay faster. because the skills on a fire mage come back soooo much faster they do more damage per second.

Have you ever done a fire mage?

Then you could tell me how ice mages still get kills on bosses, if fire mages have superiour dps

Armo said it right!
just look at what he said!

5 min is a load of ******
a fire mage has already out dps ed you in 10 seconds