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Re: Christian debate!

#71
This was supposed to be a debate among Christians about homosexuality. The op clearly stated this. This is going off-topic. While I would have liked to engage in this debate, it appears as if it is going to be a "is God real?" Debate.
You seem to be reading posts that I cannot see. Are you certain you haven't been smoking any burning bush lately? ;)

Jokes aside, refer to my last post for the homosexuality debate.. Or feel free to ignore its existence.

And no, it isn't a debate 'among Christians'.
Please state if you are an athiest or a Christian, or any other religeon. I want to see what people think, though I'm mainly looking for answers from other Christians to see what they think on this issue.
Although he says "mainly looking for answers from other Christians", he does provide room for non-religious people to provide their opinions.
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Re: Christian debate!

#72
The most recent posts have never challenged God's existence. So, continuing on with this post:
I will agree with you that some people can be born homosexual. But that still doesnt make it not a sin. Homosexuality is a sin and needs to be repented of just like any other sin.
@Gandy. The red thing contradicts the blue thing. Please clarify if possible.

If an individual was born homosexual, has he/she sinned or not?

Re: Christian debate!

#73
I see no question, or haven't noticed it.

And like Vraelan said, let the moderators decide when to lock the argument.. You're only disrupting the thread.
I dont seem to disrupt anything, as for the question, after waiting for an answer on few threads i havent wrote it here, but the question was, what is the most important thing mentioned in the bible? (Judaism ofc, i am not a christian and i rather not get into those kind of fights)


The reason i ask to lock is cus of the things mentioned in every thread, and if u would be in my place, u would find 10 reasons to lock this thread in almost every single post, and yes it includes religios ppl's posts.

I am not here to fight with u over that as well, if u would just look at it, even on that u tried to, well, i will go with 'bash' although it wasnt that hard, but i assume u will get my point.
I dont have any problem with specific person commenting around (although i did dislike one at older threads), but i dont think im the one who warned anyone about these kind of threads, just changing it's name from 'Discussion About Religion' to something else wont really change it, but yes its a bit less offensive than older threads, its just that after seeing all the older threads, i think its pretty easy to realize when its getting to places it shouldnt get to.


Maybe i should try and come in a different attitude, instead of asking to lock, i'll go back to my older posts (to whoever read them on the discussions about religions, if u actually read them), what i asked for many times, is to watch ur words, and not speak of this topic so freely as if its possible, i see few ppl here saying things that idk where did they even get it from, i didnt come to u Armo or Vraelan, and im pretty sure i am allowed to request to lock a thread, maybe u could show some understanding to others, because its the same over and over and over, theres Gandy on one side, and few others on the other sides, im not taking any sides ofc.

Ive been commenting over and over and over asking u in the nicest way, to not make it an arguement under the title of a discussion or a debate, because it isnt, its very simple to see it, all u need is to look.


So, really, i dont care about the answer for my question as long as i could get a single normal comment for this, do not drag it to a fight, u take it lightly, others may not, and i dont like to see ppl attacking and bashing each other over such thing, u cant change it, u cant change someone's opinion through a forum thread, ofc ur more than welcome to discuss about it, but maybe its not u Armo or Vraelan, and it doesnt matter who it is, just dont drag it to a fight, is it that hard to ask? Do u think im just going around all those threads asking from mods to lock after the things i see (since most mods dont bother get into those fights, as u all know and rather ignore) for fun? How many times ive asked to not argue at the older threads? Did u even read anything of what ive been posting? I dont need to try to start writing differently to drag ur attention, i can write with u and r and all that crap and that will be enough, unlike others who try that hard to prove their point by using all those 'complicated' words instead of using simple words, theres a wise man who have said once, that for the most important goals, its better to speak (could be translated as explain) in the simplest words.


I havent actually asked any mod to lock this thread, if u wondered, i never really cared if anyone would answer my question, all i ever asked u to do, is to stop, think, then comment, if u really wanna debate something like religions, just freely commenting or quoting some sources wouldnt be the way to do it, dont bash anyone, dont attack anyone, dont comment from anger or anything, u might not get it, but this is not a topic that u can just bash someone for, laugh at, mock, curse, or do anything that would be disrespectful, im not saying that anything from those (mostly not curse or mock) has happened in this thread, but as we have seen the last threads about it, we all know where it'll lead to.



NOTE : Save urself any comment that says 'if u dont like it then leave', would u leave if u wouldnt like it? I dont think its the way to actually discuss something if anyone who doesnt like something would just leave. And again, if atheist ppl think im talking only about them, im not taking anyone's side, i rather not judge or blame for religion, as a jewish person i have christian friends, atheist friends, and muslim friends, i never really cared for what any of their religion is, friends are friends, ppl are ppl, with or without religion.



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Re: Christian debate!

#74
I kind of stopped reading after the first paragraph of the essay you just wrote.

I'm actually genuinely curious about this topic and the answers I am receiving, so I'm not writing 'out of anger'.
The only thing I'm angry at is:
And here goes the religions fight, is it time yet to lock this thread?
Yes i think its time to lock, what do u think liv?
No I don't think I've read any of your previous posts. This is actually the first 'religious' topic I've showed a bit of interest towards. I also assumed the question you had was on-topic, but it wasn't and therefore I don't care about it.
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Re: Christian debate!

#75
The most recent posts have never challenged God's existence. So, continuing on with this post:
I will agree with you that some people can be born homosexual. But that still doesnt make it not a sin. Homosexuality is a sin and needs to be repented of just like any other sin.
@Gandy. The red thing contradicts the blue thing. Please clarify if possible.

If an individual was born homosexual, has he/she sinned or not?
I did put a double negative in there. Sorry for the confusion. What I was saying is that even though people may be born homosexual, homosexuality is still a sin. Because we are born of sinful parents, that automatically makes us sinful too. You cant take two imperfect things and make something perfect. The Bible clearly says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. By nature we are all sinful. Just as we are human by nature.

Re: Christian debate!

#76
The Bible clearly says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. By nature we are all sinful. Just as we are human by nature.
Can you please clarify which verse in the Bible states this?
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Re: Christian debate!

#77
@crimial, i am keeping a close eye on this thread to make sure it stays on-topic and non-aggressive, though nothing really lock-worthy has popped up yet i think, religious topics are hard to draw the line between appropriate and inappropriate so, I'll just have to wait and find a lock-worthy offense before i can do anything.
And, as it is also a harder-to-moderate type of thread, I'll just be running it by the admins and let them decide.

Thanks for understanding :)
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Re: Christian debate!

#78
Thanks for re-opening the thread and understanding that it is actually a civil discussion, unlike others. :roll:

Anyway, I received this through PMs by Gandy:
Subject: Christian debate!
The Bible clearly says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. By nature we are all sinful. Just as we are human by nature.
Can you please clarify which verse in the Bible states this?
Check out Romans 3:23
Thank you for the PM. For those who are unaware, the verse is: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,".

Now my question is, does this actually refer to everyone is born as sinners? Or that we are all sinners by nature and will no doubt end up going against God's words? I read while resesarching this particular verse that it was translated to be "we are sinners by childhood", but that still doesn't exactly justify humans being sinners through birth.

Any clarification?
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Re: Christian debate!

#79
Well, in order to have perfect justice you should have punishment for sin, correct? Well, basically, repenting is saying: "I know i have sinned, please take away my burden" for Jesus can take away the punishment of sin, as he has suffered enough on the cross to repay any sin, though anyone who does not repent... Well, justice gets served i guess...

The only thing i don't get about atheism (yes, a little of topic, please do not respond to this part, just something to think about) is, why run the risk of eternal punishment? You only have to dedicate a few hours a week for infinite glory! Why pass up that offer? What if all these stories were right about Jesus?
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Re: Christian debate!

#80
How is homosexuality a sin? No where in the bible did it say it is a sin unless I'm blind and it is actually in the bible.
The bible says and I quote "if a man beds down with another man as he would a women they have done a horrible thing, and should be put to death"

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