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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Lol yes threequal isn't a thing so what.

Anyway, to plus3, so I assume that you still believe in leeches curing most diseases right? Because at one point that was thought to be the case and at that time could be considered "science".

It's the same for us, first of all, and I don't know wen you will get this through your thick skull, just because someone is chiristian, does not make them homophobic.

The same way that someone who is atheist, doesn't make someone a shallow douche, kinda of like you are but Vraelan isn't.

The bible has so many antiquated laws that you bring up that current Christians no longer have to follow because of Jesus Christs sacrifice. So educate yourself on that before making false claims.
I know you are uneducated so I'll cut you a tiny break. Maggots and leaches ARE STILL USED TODAY and commonly. They are great for what they do evolution has given them tools we can't replicate.

I know you are used to thinking whatever you believe is real - the heavens themselves swirl and are in flux until god himself is exactly as you believe. In reality if there were a god it wouldn't matter at all what you thought - well that's not true - think the wrong thoughts and you will be eternally tortured.

Got a news flash for you. Reality is objective and has truths that require no faith, no belief. No amount of whining or wish thinking will change them. You don't matter at all. So go ahead deny facts and disbelieve. To you it may even seem real.

You Know you are lying to yourself. Man up and be intellectually honest. It's about the best gift you can ever give your well being.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Royal dark matter has been proven, we have more evidence for dark matter than we do for black holes, and just because we cant see it doesn't mean it isnt there. I can't see gamma radiation, does that mean I should expose myself to harmful amounts of it? Is this the logic of "it can't hurt you if you don't believe in it"? And frankly we have poop tonnes of evidence for the Big Bang, CMBR. the expansion of the universe. red shift. Dark energy. We have poop tonnes. And for evolution. Google search why cant we cure the common cold. And you have your answer. You can thank me with a cheque for letting you live your life with all the sin you want.
Edit: seeing as how you probs won't search why the common cold is un-curable I will tell you. Its because the common cold is a virus, as such it can evolve very quickly. So any cure made would only be affective for a year or so. Evolution baby.

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Just going to add my post here and merge topics:
In life there are people, events, ideas, and so much more. The best part is that we have found a way to communicate such information; pure and neutral information. Information does not require insults and if you have to insult to make your point, then your information is most likely flawed.

In regards to a certain idea that evolution and the Big Bang are only theories; may I remind you that in science we differentiate between laws and theories by how much evidence and how much certainty. With all things considered, everything is a theory and we can not be certain about anything. It is, however, based on patterns and a preponderance of evidence that we choose to stabilise society and make progress.

The evidence I had listed for both were in another topic and I shall repost it here:
Big Bang: from http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astrono ... l#evidence
a) Large-scale homogeneity
b) Hubble diagram
c) Abundances of light elements
d) Existence of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation
e) Fluctuations in the CMBR
f) Large-scale structure of the universe
g) Age of stars
h) Evolution of galaxies
i) Time dilation in supernova brightness curves
j) Tolman tests
k) Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect
l) Integrated Sachs-Wolfe effect
m) Dark Matter
n) Dark Energy
z) Consistency

Evolution:
a) Early behaviour
b) Genetics
c) Fossils
d) Dating

The only hard evidence I can come up with for the bible is the bible and that is a fallacy. Someone mentioned that it had some historical events written down and, therefore, the rest of it is truth. Well, Ancient Greek religious scripture, which we now call mythology, included some historically correct information. Does that make all of it truth?

Another reminder, we judge by a preponderance of the evidence. Therefore, even if a few things with religion is correct and has valid reasoning, other ideas have far greater evidence. The type of evidence that is physical, continuing, contains patterns, etc.
Im not 100% sure a out the rest, but dark mater DOES NOT exist. Its a made up energy that cant be seen. Therefore, it cannot be proven, nor repeatable, Which makes this a failed hypothesis.

Many other ideas are made up by atheists scientists, which cannot be proven in any way.

You say gravity is less provable then evolution? Gravity is observable to the naked eye, and is also repeatable.Maybe the whole idea of how it works isnt clear yet, but the fact that we are attracted to the earth is very provable.
Evolution in the other hand, is not.
Dark matter has direct evidence you are just too ignorant to know. Star orbits in galaxies are much too fast for the normal matter (including the often central black hole) to hold in. Additionally, dark matter has gravitation so it causes gravitational lensing which we can see. Take a look at the bullet cluster where two merging gas clouds hit and friction merged the clouds while the dark matter continued unimpaired and you can see the lensing.

While we are not certain if it is through WIMPs or some other mechanism the evidence of dark matter effects is irrefutable.

And yes there is less evidence for the scientific theory of gravitation than evolution. We can see the building blocks and base functionality of evolution. We have observed it in the lab and in nature. Gravitons, the exchange particle for gravitation, has NOT been observed directly or indirectly. Furthermore the theory of gravitation does not account for fast star orbits in galaxies as above, nor the ever accelerating universe. There are elegant mathematical and physical law extrapolations that make gravitons seem quite likely though. It's likely we will have to rewrite gravitational theory or more likely create a new theory to describe the additional forces involved.

Read some books do yourself a solid.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I know what to call it: Discussion About Religion: The Revenge of the Atheist.

4th topic: A New Piece of Evidence.
5th topic: The Atheist Strikes Back
6th topic: The Return of the Christian

Then we wait 30 years, sell the rights of our arguements to some young whipper-snappers and have then make 7-9.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Oh! And also, MANY fossils scientists say that they were our primate ancestors, were proven wrong, and they were only a normal chimpanzee .
Some skeletons they've "found" were modifide body parts by the same scientists.
This is where science and christianity are equal. People try to add in FALSE information to be respected among that community. Dont believe in every thing christians AND atheists say.
(Some of these people are waaaay off.)
That's not even remotely true. Yes a few frauds existed and the science was not very well developed before 1850-1900. But now we have mitrocondrial DNA from bone fragments from some and can tell what is what beyond any doubt. Additionally we can now use various scanning techniques and see fine scale sctrutures we never have been able to before.


Chimps:
98.5% genetically identical to humans
Look like humans
Poop like humans
Trade items for sex
Have a social structure
Use tools
Have the same cellular structures

Yet somehow they are animals and we are not? Yet somehow they are not related to humans yet vast overwhelming fossil and genetic evidence all flawlessly and seamlessly shows otherwise?

Leave it to religious nut jobs to deny basic facts and reality that even a 5 year old sees as obvious. You are the reason other contries think Americans are stupid. Virtually no where else besides Muslim countries and backwater holes think evolution is untrue. Good job religion.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Grr, I did not notice the edit. Sorry.
No, Im not saying everything atheists say is a conspiracy. Im saying that some there are some theories evolutionists try to prove with fake, and modified evidence.
But that is where repetition and peer review comes in. False data and modified evidence does not last long, which is why we hear about such cases of modified evidence or incorrect conclusions.
Atheists and christians can agree in many situations, but about evolution and the bigbang are what deffinetly separates us.
It does but it should not.

Picking and choosing what evidence you accept based on such beliefs will not get you anywhere. I believe in a high probability of evolution and the Big Bang not because I want to but because it is the most likely, as verified by hundreds if not thousands of scientists that include atheists and Christians.
Trust me, in a way ,it would be better if what I believe was fake my fate (based on the bible) Im going to heaven, and Im 100% sure Im going there, even though Im a grateful person to many people, and over that, a sinner.

People who dont believe and sincerely asks Jesus in their hearts go to hell.

Basically, my fate is great, yours....Not so much.
But you dont believe in that so this shouldn't affect you, assuming your right.

Assuming that atheism is right, we will die and that will be the end of it. We can do any thing we want as long as its legal.
Very easy life, with a very lazy fate. Basically we will sleep for eternity.
Atheists view is more convenient and easy, in my opinion.
I dont believe in Christianity because I "want" to, its because much has shown me the truth about the bible(correctly read and understood) being evidence of the past,present, and future.
I can see how everything connects to each other and I have an idea of how our times are influencing the end times.
So many prophecies, like Israel being a nation again after being separated so long. And how many Israelites are actually going back to Israel(another prophecy). People I know are being pulled back to Israel.

Its incredible how you read a book that is thousands of years old, and these prophecies happen in your eyes.
There is much much more too, I just dont have the time to look for the verses and explain them.

Also, its probably not very possible at the time, or not affordable, but with our technology, devices that are actually connected to you to make it easier to keep track of your location is now possible(Aka mark of the beast 666)

I may sound crazy, but you cant say this isnt possible now days. Its just a matter of time.

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Oh! And also, MANY fossils scientists say that they were our primate ancestors, were proven wrong, and they were only a normal chimpanzee .
Some skeletons they've "found" were modifide body parts by the same scientists.
This is where science and christianity are equal. People try to add in FALSE information to be respected among that community. Dont believe in every thing christians AND atheists say.
(Some of these people are waaaay off.)
That's not even remotely true. Yes a few frauds existed and the science was not very well developed before 1850-1900. But now we have mitrocondrial DNA from bone fragments from some and can tell what is what beyond any doubt. Additionally we can now use various scanning techniques and see fine scale sctrutures we never have been able to before.


Chimps:
98.5% genetically identical to humans
Look like humans
Poop like humans
Trade items for sex
Have a social structure
Use tools
Have the same cellular structures

Yet somehow they are animals and we are not? Yet somehow they are not related to humans yet vast overwhelming fossil and genetic evidence all flawlessly and seamlessly shows otherwise?

Leave it to religious nut jobs to deny basic facts and reality that even a 5 year old sees as obvious. You are the reason other contries think Americans are stupid. Virtually no where else besides Muslim countries and backwater holes think evolution is untrue. Good job religion.
Go back to your moms garage and stop insulting .
Every animal eats, has sex,and craps.
If your "proof" of humans being chimps was true, we would have been any animal in the planet...

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Royal ur so bloody stupid I swear to god, ur saying he works at GameStop. Is a grumpy ***. And lives in his mums garage but you have the audacity to call him a moody git? Either you have 7 different types of rètardia or you were just born wrong, either way, dont project your insecurities about your belief on other people

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Plus3 that just shows how retarded you are considering over 60% of the worlds population is christian. America is not 60% of the world is it now?
And lastcall. I thought you only moaned at people on epona forums? Or have you given yourself a promotion?

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