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Re: A discussion about religion

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Ok, I guess we all have our views on human sexuality with different definitions. Honestly, people can believe whatever they want as long as if does not lead to discrimination or another such conflict.

Back to that quote: The blame could be placed on the churches but those churches still work in the name of religion. In fact, a great amount of conflicts throughout history have been in the name of some religion or due to religious differences. Various mass murders have been in the name of religion, for the purpose of changing religion, or for the purpose of eliminating religion.

I am not saying religion is horrible though. However, if there is a god out there as seemingly benevolent in scriptures, it should sort out this mess. Even if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, that is still a long time. The collections of scripture, such as the bible, seems to be intended for a much more primitive humanity. We have advanced and matured as a race. If we truly are children to a god, he/she/it should continue it's teachings and help us grow.

I have heard of the analogy that we (humanity) are kids and a god would be the parents; existing as a family. Supposedly we are not ready for the real world. We get punished just as a parent would punish their children. We learn by reading (religious text) and get tested through various circumstances beginning with Adam and Eve. This situation would make perfect sense except for one problem: it is a still frame. Where is the progress? Children are supposed to grow up. Even by learning from the scripture, those texts do not change. The Bible, Koran, etc, are not getting any bigger.

As for various scientific practices that are not still not believed in, that is somewhat ok. It is fine to challenge an idea. However, to be discouraged from so many sources is almost madness. Seeing ever changing micro-organisms, carbon dating, fossils, DNA, geological processes, etc. There are so many sources that support evolution and an Earth that is in fact not only over 6 thousand years old and well into the millions but an Earth that is billions of years old. We even use these controversial concepts to create medicine, fight diseases, create new computing hardware (such as the relatively new theory of quantum computing), etc etc etc.

However, the bottom line is that you can believe whatever you like. However, if that belief closes you off to new possibilities and the possible advancement of humanity, there is a problem. That goes for everyone. You have to be open to new scientific theories but at the same time, you must also still remain open to a level of intelligence that is beyond our understanding.

On a side note, Happy New Years! May we all progress in our lives and ignore the hundred spelling and grammatical errors that are probably throughout this post. :/ Lol
Read my previous post, who is saying Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old?


The bible was not for a more "primitive humanity,"

2 Timothy 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,


Go ahead and tell me that's not exactly 100 percent true in terms of what we see in today's society.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Ok, I guess we all have our views on human sexuality with different definitions. Honestly, people can believe whatever they want as long as if does not lead to discrimination or another such conflict.

Back to that quote: The blame could be placed on the churches but those churches still work in the name of religion. In fact, a great amount of conflicts throughout history have been in the name of some religion or due to religious differences. Various mass murders have been in the name of religion, for the purpose of changing religion, or for the purpose of eliminating religion.

I am not saying religion is horrible though. However, if there is a god out there as seemingly benevolent in scriptures, it should sort out this mess. Even if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, that is still a long time. The collections of scripture, such as the bible, seems to be intended for a much more primitive humanity. We have advanced and matured as a race. If we truly are children to a god, he/she/it should continue it's teachings and help us grow.

I have heard of the analogy that we (humanity) are kids and a god would be the parents; existing as a family. Supposedly we are not ready for the real world. We get punished just as a parent would punish their children. We learn by reading (religious text) and get tested through various circumstances beginning with Adam and Eve. This situation would make perfect sense except for one problem: it is a still frame. Where is the progress? Children are supposed to grow up. Even by learning from the scripture, those texts do not change. The Bible, Koran, etc, are not getting any bigger.

As for various scientific practices that are not still not believed in, that is somewhat ok. It is fine to challenge an idea. However, to be discouraged from so many sources is almost madness. Seeing ever changing micro-organisms, carbon dating, fossils, DNA, geological processes, etc. There are so many sources that support evolution and an Earth that is in fact not only over 6 thousand years old and well into the millions but an Earth that is billions of years old. We even use these controversial concepts to create medicine, fight diseases, create new computing hardware (such as the relatively new theory of quantum computing), etc etc etc.

However, the bottom line is that you can believe whatever you like. However, if that belief closes you off to new possibilities and the possible advancement of humanity, there is a problem. That goes for everyone. You have to be open to new scientific theories but at the same time, you must also still remain open to a level of intelligence that is beyond our understanding.

On a side note, Happy New Years! May we all progress in our lives and ignore the hundred spelling and grammatical errors that are probably throughout this post. :/ Lol
Read my previous post, who is saying Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old?


The bible was not for a more "primitive humanity,"

2 Timothy 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,


Go ahead and tell me that's not exactly 100 percent true in terms of what we see in today's society.
Umm. That's always been true. It certainly isn't just true of some 'end times'.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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This was the Catholic Church. No offense to them but a lot of things they did were atrocious. They( again no offense) are not Christians( or if they were they acted in a most unbiblical manner).
So catabolics aren't christans. Hmmm. So who were the real Christians for the first one thousand six hundred years? I'm really curious here.
I find that I am in the religion that teaches the truth, and true christianty. Many churches who claim to be Christian or any other religion for that matter have shown hypocrisy and false teaching lying to millions of people.

Honestly it's quite interesting how false Christians came to exist, Constantine was the first Roman emperor to profess Christianity. By doing so, he profoundly influenced world history. He embraced this previously persecuted religion and set it on a path that led to the formation of Christendom. While professing to champion Christianity, Constantine kept one foot in paganism. For example, he practiced astrology and divination—occult activities that the Bible condemns. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) On the Arch of Constantine in Rome, he is shown sacrificing to pagan deities. He continued to honor the sun-god by featuring the deity on coins and promoting the sun-god cult.

So with that said, What does all of this mean for us? It means that we should not take the teachings of any church for granted but that we should examine them in the light of the Bible.—1 John 4:1.
So there were nothing but false Christians from 0ad - 1600? Just curious about that one. As it makes for an odd religion that was nothing but lies for millennia then suddenly there was the real true path.

Just so you know you have a minority view that is highly offensive to many hundreds of millions of religious people. Not that that fact alone is bad really.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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In my opinion it does not matter what you believe about the beginning of the world as long as you believe that God created it and that you believe in Jesus Christ and that it is by grace you are saved through faith and not by works. In other words, you can believe that God created the earth through evolution. You are wrong but you can believe that and still be a Christian. As long as you believe that Jesus is Lord, believe that God raised him from the dead, that works cannot save you(it is faith not works) and you have asked him to save you, you are saved. Now this is not to say that all religions and all atheists will go to heaven. You have to believe in God. Not everyone is going to heaven. What im trying to say is that if you Believe in god and followed the steps to salvation then you are saved. I may not have made myself clear. I guess we will see.
Just thought of a better way to say it. You can still be a Christian even if you believe that God created the earth through evolution. You are wrong but you can still be a Christian.


And plus3, there were still Christians that believed the true word of God; just not as many as there were Catholics(not catabolics)
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Ok, I guess we all have our views on human sexuality with different definitions. Honestly, people can believe whatever they want as long as if does not lead to discrimination or another such conflict.

Back to that quote: The blame could be placed on the churches but those churches still work in the name of religion. In fact, a great amount of conflicts throughout history have been in the name of some religion or due to religious differences. Various mass murders have been in the name of religion, for the purpose of changing religion, or for the purpose of eliminating religion.

I am not saying religion is horrible though. However, if there is a god out there as seemingly benevolent in scriptures, it should sort out this mess. Even if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, that is still a long time. The collections of scripture, such as the bible, seems to be intended for a much more primitive humanity. We have advanced and matured as a race. If we truly are children to a god, he/she/it should continue it's teachings and help us grow.

I have heard of the analogy that we (humanity) are kids and a god would be the parents; existing as a family. Supposedly we are not ready for the real world. We get punished just as a parent would punish their children. We learn by reading (religious text) and get tested through various circumstances beginning with Adam and Eve. This situation would make perfect sense except for one problem: it is a still frame. Where is the progress? Children are supposed to grow up. Even by learning from the scripture, those texts do not change. The Bible, Koran, etc, are not getting any bigger.

As for various scientific practices that are not still not believed in, that is somewhat ok. It is fine to challenge an idea. However, to be discouraged from so many sources is almost madness. Seeing ever changing micro-organisms, carbon dating, fossils, DNA, geological processes, etc. There are so many sources that support evolution and an Earth that is in fact not only over 6 thousand years old and well into the millions but an Earth that is billions of years old. We even use these controversial concepts to create medicine, fight diseases, create new computing hardware (such as the relatively new theory of quantum computing), etc etc etc.

However, the bottom line is that you can believe whatever you like. However, if that belief closes you off to new possibilities and the possible advancement of humanity, there is a problem. That goes for everyone. You have to be open to new scientific theories but at the same time, you must also still remain open to a level of intelligence that is beyond our understanding.

On a side note, Happy New Years! May we all progress in our lives and ignore the hundred spelling and grammatical errors that are probably throughout this post. :/ Lol
Read my previous post, who is saying Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old?


The bible was not for a more "primitive humanity,"

2 Timothy 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,


Go ahead and tell me that's not exactly 100 percent true in terms of what we see in today's society.
I never said Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old.

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

It is not 100% true. Not all humans are subject to that description. Perhaps not even humanity as a whole.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Ok, I guess we all have our views on human sexuality with different definitions. Honestly, people can believe whatever they want as long as if does not lead to discrimination or another such conflict.

Back to that quote: The blame could be placed on the churches but those churches still work in the name of religion. In fact, a great amount of conflicts throughout history have been in the name of some religion or due to religious differences. Various mass murders have been in the name of religion, for the purpose of changing religion, or for the purpose of eliminating religion.

I am not saying religion is horrible though. However, if there is a god out there as seemingly benevolent in scriptures, it should sort out this mess. Even if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, that is still a long time. The collections of scripture, such as the bible, seems to be intended for a much more primitive humanity. We have advanced and matured as a race. If we truly are children to a god, he/she/it should continue it's teachings and help us grow.

I have heard of the analogy that we (humanity) are kids and a god would be the parents; existing as a family. Supposedly we are not ready for the real world. We get punished just as a parent would punish their children. We learn by reading (religious text) and get tested through various circumstances beginning with Adam and Eve. This situation would make perfect sense except for one problem: it is a still frame. Where is the progress? Children are supposed to grow up. Even by learning from the scripture, those texts do not change. The Bible, Koran, etc, are not getting any bigger.

As for various scientific practices that are not still not believed in, that is somewhat ok. It is fine to challenge an idea. However, to be discouraged from so many sources is almost madness. Seeing ever changing micro-organisms, carbon dating, fossils, DNA, geological processes, etc. There are so many sources that support evolution and an Earth that is in fact not only over 6 thousand years old and well into the millions but an Earth that is billions of years old. We even use these controversial concepts to create medicine, fight diseases, create new computing hardware (such as the relatively new theory of quantum computing), etc etc etc.

However, the bottom line is that you can believe whatever you like. However, if that belief closes you off to new possibilities and the possible advancement of humanity, there is a problem. That goes for everyone. You have to be open to new scientific theories but at the same time, you must also still remain open to a level of intelligence that is beyond our understanding.

On a side note, Happy New Years! May we all progress in our lives and ignore the hundred spelling and grammatical errors that are probably throughout this post. :/ Lol
Read my previous post, who is saying Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old?


The bible was not for a more "primitive humanity,"

2 Timothy 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,


Go ahead and tell me that's not exactly 100 percent true in terms of what we see in today's society.
I never said Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old.

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

It is not 100% true. Not all humans are subject to that description. Perhaps not even humanity as a whole.

No, they actually weren't, I don't even know where you're getting this from, if you compare the teenagers from this generation, to any other ones from the past, you can see how true these words are.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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It doesn't seem like any of you really want to know. You just want to argue. Except maybe vraelen. Look Vrealen, i am not blaiming homos; i think it is wrong but i have not really studied it and I don't know what dangers it might have. Magical i did not say that marriage was a protection against std's;(well if i did im now going to clarify) if you marry a virgin while yourself a virgin and you both stay faithful to each other you will not get std's that way. There may be other ways to infect someone that i dnt know about. As i said before magical, Jesus could not have been a liar. If you want to know why maybe ill copy down a page from evidence that demands a verdict. You try to make it sound like true Christians are hateful people. There is not one true christian that i know of who is a hater. Plus3, you still haven't answered my question of why almost every geological time-clock points to creation; why no historical or scientific principle in the Bible has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt wrong; why the Bible predicts things about science that evolution can only explain. I questioned my faith when i was younger. I wondered why evolution was wrong. I was probably the exact opposite of you Plus3. We both questioned our faiths. We both studied the matter. But we came to different conclusions.
Let me just point this out. Carbon dating shows otherwise to the idea the earth was made only a few thousand years ago.

The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.
It most certainly does disprove it. Despite your so called 'scholarly interpretation' that attempts to reconcile it with facts we all know.

Let's indeed look at 1:1. "In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth". Wrong since it implies simultaneously and the earth is 1/3 the age of the universe or 10 billion years younger. The earth was never 'formless and empty, darkness over the surface of the deep" as the earth most certainly had near its current form, albeit with much more volcanism, tidal forces, and much different weather and atmospheric gas content than today. God then went on to create the sky - which in reality formed at the same time as the earth - bible fail. The water was not gathered to 'one place' Seed bearing and fruit bearing plants were not even close to being first - it was highly simple single cells that we see fossils of first with a likely even simpler precursor that has yet to be discovered. Plants first is 100% wrong. now this BS about creating light? Light had been around before the first nanosecond of time had elapsed. Next the BS about two lights one for the day and one the night - the moon which anyone in the 20th century knows is simply reflected sunlight and that the moon came about as part of the earths formation in a giant impact. Now god made wild land animals - wrong! First eyurokrotic animals evolved in the oceans and existed long before on land.

We haven't gotten to even 1:24 and every single thing god said is provably false - obviously false to anyone with intellectual honesty and an iq over 75.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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So there were nothing but false Christians from 0ad - 1600? Just curious about that one. As it makes for an odd religion that was nothing but lies for millennia then suddenly there was the real true path.

Just so you know you have a minority view that is highly offensive to many hundreds of millions of religious people. Not that that fact alone is bad really.

First of all, please use paragraphs, or next time I won't wen bother reading your incorrect statements.

Mathew 7: 13,14 "Go in through the narrow gate,+ because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it."

There are many religions, many. Do the math.

There were always true christians on earth, during the centuries in which counterfeit Christianity wielded great power, the good news seemed all but snuffed out. However, Jesus indicated that the good news would be revived in the last days. He likened this period to a harvest when false Christians, pictured as weeds, would be separated from genuine Christians, pictured as wheat. (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43) At that time, the prophecy about the preaching of the good news would have its greatest fulfillment. (Matthew 24:14
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Read my previous post, who is saying Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old?


The bible was not for a more "primitive humanity,"

2 Timothy 3:1-4 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,


Go ahead and tell me that's not exactly 100 percent true in terms of what we see in today's society.
I never said Christians as a whole believe the earth to be only 6000 years old.

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

It is not 100% true. Not all humans are subject to that description. Perhaps not even humanity as a whole.

No, they actually weren't, I don't even know where you're getting this from, if you compare the teenagers from this generation, to any other ones from the past, you can see how true these words are.
*Newsflash* I'm 39 years old and AM one of those past teenagers lmao! I can tell you nothing but the music, clothes, and who is popular has changed. Have kids of my own and it is the same timeless story. Nothing substantial is different.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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No, they actually weren't, I don't even know where you're getting this from, if you compare the teenagers from this generation, to any other ones from the past, you can see how true these words are.
I agree, teenagers have changed (for better or for worse) but since when did we live in a society of solely teenagers?
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