So you are saying im only atheist because I want to sin? Wow ur stupider than I thought, do you even comprehend how offensive that is? People put real time and thought into it, I can tell you as I was once christian however as I grew up I realised what absolute horse unfathomable it was.I swear, I don't blatantly disrespect your beliefs yet you show no consideration and have time after time disrespected mine, it's people like you that makes the planet horrible.I'm going to make a personal request here. Could you please refer to it as 'the end is neigh!'. It sounds way cooler in that unwashed street bum kinda religious way.The end is near and the world has changed, all signs point toward it, science is amazing, yet doesn't provide us with all the answers and is still flawed, but when the day is here, I would love to see science save you.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1112Ephesians 4:18 18 They are in darkness mentally and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensitivity* of their hearts.So you are saying im only atheist because I want to sin? Wow ur stupider than I thought, do you even comprehend how offensive that is? People put real time and thought into it, I can tell you as I was once christian however as I grew up I realised what absolute horse **** it was.
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#1113“The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”Ephesians 4:18 18 They are in darkness mentally and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensitivity* of their hearts.So you are saying im only atheist because I want to sin? Wow ur stupider than I thought, do you even comprehend how offensive that is? People put real time and thought into it, I can tell you as I was once christian however as I grew up I realised what absolute horse **** it was.
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#1114I'm not sure what part of "eve didn't know it was GOOD to listen to gods snake over god" you understand. When you don't know good from evil - good from bad - you have a highly compromised brain incapable of making simple rational decisions.There is no logic fail, I am just explaining the story. I explained it very simply but you are still quoting me wrong and either not comprehending, or just not wanted to admit you lose. Actually read what I said. How can you not understand that they knew they should not eat it? You do not have to know something is right or wrong to know not to do it. Even a toddler can be trained to come when called or to stay out of a room when told. Adam and Eve were smarter that toddlers.Obviously you see the complete logic fail of the whole basic premise too it and it infuriates you so.Now you are the one being obtuse. It has already been explained: God very clearly told them not to eat the fruit. It wasn't implied, it was not a request. He told them: "do not eat the fruit, if you eat it you will die". Eve even repeated this to the serpent. They knew full well they were not supposed to eat the fruit stop making stupid arguments.
God created serpents according to the Bible, yes. Whether the serpent that tempted Eve was the Devil incarnate, a tool used by the Devil or just a real jerkish snake is not said directly, but that it had something to do with Satan is heavily implied many times in the scripture. It is also irrelevant to the fact that Adam and Eve knew they were not supposed to eat the fruit before they ate it and they were aware of the consequences.
Of course God would have known what they had done but he let them say it. Remember that he was the one who asked them if they had eaten the fruit.
Look closely at 3:1 "now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the lord god had made". Additionally it sates god made all the animals in 2:19. So as far as the snake is concerned the fable is quite succinct in it being a jerkish snake god directly made.
More to the point in 3:21 god even says "the man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil". So NO they did not know full well as they had no idea of what is good or bad. Like a child not knowing something is right or wrong. In fact what you said about them being turned into gods is not factually correct for in 3:4 "for god knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE god, knowing good and evil". So in fact all it was is gaining knowledge. I can easily fool toddlers into disobeying rules they know they should follow because they cannot judge right from wrong very well and they tend to listen to others for guidance and fail to understand the concequences.
You claim that Adam and eve were geniuses beyond that of mortals - yet why would they do something so stupid? Oh yea! No idea of right and wrong lol.
So basically your god punishes those that chose to gain wisdom through knowledge. NOW THAT explains a lot!!! Keep being religious it makes you so easy to control.
Btw try actually quoting with the specific locations of the quotes. It dosent even look like you are seriously trying to debate.
But forget about explaining this, its obvious you just want to troll and have no intention of understanding. I hope I helped clear it up for any other readers.
You imply they knew good from evil before they had that ability.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1115Atheists like to wave the banner of science over their camp, the fact is that neither atheism nor theism rest purely on science. Both involve faith—atheism in purposeless blind chance; theism in an intelligent First Cause.“The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”Ephesians 4:18 18 They are in darkness mentally and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensitivity* of their hearts.So you are saying im only atheist because I want to sin? Wow ur stupider than I thought, do you even comprehend how offensive that is? People put real time and thought into it, I can tell you as I was once christian however as I grew up I realised what absolute horse **** it was.
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Molecular biologist Michael Denton concluded that the theory of evolution “is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious . . . scientific theory.” He also referred to Darwinian evolution as one of the greatest myths of our time.
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#1116That man obviously has a religious agenda because evolution is as close to a scientific fact as things get. Furthermore science dosent come from authority like bs religions do. Even if the 'smartest' man or woman in the world - the most respected - started a campaign that gravity was a myth and that it wasn't founded on science wouldn't matter. In that case id say throw them off the highest building we can find.Atheists like to wave the banner of science over their camp, the fact is that neither atheism nor theism rest purely on science. Both involve faith—atheism in purposeless blind chance; theism in an intelligent First Cause.“The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”Ephesians 4:18 18 They are in darkness mentally and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensitivity* of their hearts.
― Albert Einstein
Molecular biologist Michael Denton concluded that the theory of evolution “is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious . . . scientific theory.” He also referred to Darwinian evolution as one of the greatest myths of our time.
nothing in science flat out disproves atheist belief. There certanily could be though - like if prayer (of any religion) actually was shown to help people. Religions on the other hand are highly falsifiable. Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
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#1117That my friend, is not a quote made by me, it was by a scientist, Molecular biologist to be exact, so it has no 'religious agenda' as you claim.That man obviously has a religious agenda because evolution is as close to a scientific fact as things get.
nothing in science flat out disproves atheist belief. There certanily could be though - like if prayer (of any religion) actually was shown to help people. Religions on the other hand are highly falsifiable. Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
Even evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: “After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.”
According to New Scientist: “An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all. . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials.”
Obviously what you said is not backed up by science, just an atheist agenda.
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#1118Although the Bible is not a science textbook, whenever it touches on scientific matters, it is in harmony with proven science and is free from the mistaken views and absurd theories prevalent at the time of its writing. For instance, in ancient times some believed that the earth was supported by four elephants standing on a big sea turtle. Yet, the Bible simply states: “[God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7, written about 1473 B.C.E.) As early as 2,700 years ago, the Bible correctly noted the shape of the earth, saying: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle (“globe,” Douay Version) of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) If the Bible had not been inspired by God, how could its writers have known such facts?Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
Of the facts stated in the Bible, some have only come to be known and confirmed by science in recent times. For example, the Bible long ago revealed a beginning for the universe (Genesis 1:1), the correct order in which all living things were formed (Genesis, chapter 1), and the effects of the hereditary process (Psalm 139:16). Long before people had any concept of germs and hygiene, the Bible provided the Israelites with instructions that anyone touching a dead body (or excrement) became unclean and had to wash himself and his garments.—Numbers 19:11-22; Deuteronomy 23:12-14.
How did the Bible writers come to know these scientifically correct practices? They could not have written according to their own ideas because people in Bible times did not possess such knowledge. Only the Creator had the power and wisdom to provide that information. We, therefore, have sound reasons to believe that the Bible is truly from God.
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#1119You are still saying that... I explained it over and over again. Why don't you look at your own logic fail? If there is no god and we are all here by chance then there is no good and evil at all. There is only smart and stupid, socially acceptable and not socially acceptable. We all make decisions, no knowledge of good and evil needed.I'm not sure what part of "eve didn't know it was GOOD to listen to gods snake over god" you understand. When you don't know good from evil - good from bad - you have a highly compromised brain incapable of making simple rational decisions.There is no logic fail, I am just explaining the story. I explained it very simply but you are still quoting me wrong and either not comprehending, or just not wanted to admit you lose. Actually read what I said. How can you not understand that they knew they should not eat it? You do not have to know something is right or wrong to know not to do it. Even a toddler can be trained to come when called or to stay out of a room when told. Adam and Eve were smarter that toddlers.Obviously you see the complete logic fail of the whole basic premise too it and it infuriates you so.
Look closely at 3:1 "now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the lord god had made". Additionally it sates god made all the animals in 2:19. So as far as the snake is concerned the fable is quite succinct in it being a jerkish snake god directly made.
More to the point in 3:21 god even says "the man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil". So NO they did not know full well as they had no idea of what is good or bad. Like a child not knowing something is right or wrong. In fact what you said about them being turned into gods is not factually correct for in 3:4 "for god knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE god, knowing good and evil". So in fact all it was is gaining knowledge. I can easily fool toddlers into disobeying rules they know they should follow because they cannot judge right from wrong very well and they tend to listen to others for guidance and fail to understand the concequences.
You claim that Adam and eve were geniuses beyond that of mortals - yet why would they do something so stupid? Oh yea! No idea of right and wrong lol.
So basically your god punishes those that chose to gain wisdom through knowledge. NOW THAT explains a lot!!! Keep being religious it makes you so easy to control.
Btw try actually quoting with the specific locations of the quotes. It dosent even look like you are seriously trying to debate.
But forget about explaining this, its obvious you just want to troll and have no intention of understanding. I hope I helped clear it up for any other readers.
You imply they knew good from evil before they had that ability.
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#1120There is zero debate about evolution except from butt hurt religious people because it disproves your fables.That my friend, is not a quote made by me, it was by a scientist, Molecular biologist to be exact, so it has no 'religious agenda' as you claim.That man obviously has a religious agenda because evolution is as close to a scientific fact as things get.
nothing in science flat out disproves atheist belief. There certanily could be though - like if prayer (of any religion) actually was shown to help people. Religions on the other hand are highly falsifiable. Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
Even evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: “After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.”
According to New Scientist: “An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all. . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials.”
Obviously what you said is not backed up by science, just an atheist agenda.
It makes no matter what those crackpots said or what you 'believe'. I suggest you learn what's real before you wind up injuring/killing yourself and those around you by failing to understand what is real.
If you honestly think the bible is in agreement with measurable facts then you are either horribly ignorant, being obtuse, are clinically insane, or mentally challenged - or a combination of those.
Do yourself a favor and read non-religious drivel once and a while to keep those few neurons firing.
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