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Re: A discussion about religion

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There is no logic fail, I am just explaining the story. I explained it very simply but you are still quoting me wrong and either not comprehending, or just not wanted to admit you lose. Actually read what I said. How can you not understand that they knew they should not eat it? You do not have to know something is right or wrong to know not to do it. Even a toddler can be trained to come when called or to stay out of a room when told. Adam and Eve were smarter that toddlers.

But forget about explaining this, its obvious you just want to troll and have no intention of understanding. I hope I helped clear it up for any other readers.
I'm not sure what part of "eve didn't know it was GOOD to listen to gods snake over god" you understand. When you don't know good from evil - good from bad - you have a highly compromised brain incapable of making simple rational decisions.

You imply they knew good from evil before they had that ability.
You are still saying that... I explained it over and over again. Why don't you look at your own logic fail? If there is no god and we are all here by chance then there is no good and evil at all. There is only smart and stupid, socially acceptable and not socially acceptable. We all make decisions, no knowledge of good and evil needed.
There is no biblical good and evil. However it does not invalidate the concepts. There most certainly is good and evil in the world I leave looking up the definition to you if you are uncertain what those terms mean.

Knowledge of good and bad is developed early on in childhood and is partially genetic as many psychological experiments across nearly all current cultures has demonstrated. There is a lot of overlap. Without this base function of your brain you are clinically insane. If a magic fable says someone dosent have the ability to tell good from bad then - well it is an obvious logic fail in the case above.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
Although the Bible is not a science textbook, whenever it touches on scientific matters, it is in harmony with proven science and is free from the mistaken views and absurd theories prevalent at the time of its writing. For instance, in ancient times some believed that the earth was supported by four elephants standing on a big sea turtle. Yet, the Bible simply states: “[God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7, written about 1473 B.C.E.) As early as 2,700 years ago, the Bible correctly noted the shape of the earth, saying: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle (“globe,” Douay Version) of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) If the Bible had not been inspired by God, how could its writers have known such facts?

Of the facts stated in the Bible, some have only come to be known and confirmed by science in recent times. For example, the Bible long ago revealed a beginning for the universe (Genesis 1:1), the correct order in which all living things were formed (Genesis, chapter 1), and the effects of the hereditary process (Psalm 139:16). Long before people had any concept of germs and hygiene, the Bible provided the Israelites with instructions that anyone touching a dead body (or excrement) became unclean and had to wash himself and his garments.—Numbers 19:11-22; Deuteronomy 23:12-14.

How did the Bible writers come to know these scientifically correct practices? They could not have written according to their own ideas because people in Bible times did not possess such knowledge. Only the Creator had the power and wisdom to provide that information. We, therefore, have sound reasons to believe that the Bible is truly from God.
Let's indeed look at 1:1. "In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth". Wrong since it implies simultaneously and the earth is 1/3 the age of the universe or 10 billion years younger. The earth was never 'formless and empty, darkness over the surface of the deep" as the earth most certainly had near its current form, albeit with much more volcanism, tidal forces, and much different weather and atmospheric gas content than today. God then went on to create the sky - which in reality formed at the same time as the earth - bible fail. The water was not gathered to 'one place' Seed bearing and fruit bearing plants were not even close to being first - it was highly simple single cells that we see fossils of first with a likely even simpler precursor that has yet to be discovered. Plants first is 100% wrong. now this BS about creating light? Light had been around before the first nanosecond of time had elapsed. Next the BS about two lights one for the day and one the night - the moon which anyone in the 20th century knows is simply reflected sunlight and that the moon came about as part of the earths formation in a giant impact. Now god made wild land animals - wrong! First eyurokrotic animals evolved in the oceans and existed long before on land.

We haven't gotten to even 1:24 and every single thing god said is provably false - obviously false to anyone with intellectual honesty and an iq over 75.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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That man obviously has a religious agenda because evolution is as close to a scientific fact as things get.


nothing in science flat out disproves atheist belief. There certanily could be though - like if prayer (of any religion) actually was shown to help people. Religions on the other hand are highly falsifiable. Look at the things proven to be factually incorrect in the bible. It's literally like 95% of all statements about reality. Might as well just accept reality rather than give in to your weakness about facing it.
That my friend, is not a quote made by me, it was by a scientist, Molecular biologist to be exact, so it has no 'religious agenda' as you claim.

Even evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: “After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.”

According to New Scientist: “An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all. . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials.”

Obviously what you said is not backed up by science, just an atheist agenda. :)
There is zero debate about evolution except from butt hurt religious people because it disproves your fables.

It makes no matter what those crackpots said or what you 'believe'. I suggest you learn what's real before you wind up injuring/killing yourself and those around you by failing to understand what is real.

If you honestly think the bible is in agreement with measurable facts then you are either horribly ignorant, being obtuse, are clinically insane, or mentally challenged - or a combination of those.

Do yourself a favor and read non-religious drivel once and a while to keep those few neurons firing.

I clearly explained why the bible is scientifically correct and you didn't even bother reading that by the looks of it.


Even some scientist today refuse to keep believing in evolution and I've quoted them on several occasions.

Plus3, you want nothing more than to argue, you refuse to listen because all you want to do is insult, so I'm done trying to respect you, you are foolish and deranged, even senile, you have a moronic fixation with evolution that you claim has scientific evidence yet it's been disproven time after time.

Have fun believing your fairy tail, and hey! If you are correct maybe I can even grow out these wings I've always wanted, come to think of it, my back feels a bit itchy, that might be them now! Talk to you later going to fly around a bit.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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The bible must always be interpreted. Locate scripture that clearly states a fact of the modern world and comes from many sources of investigation and reason.

Now, my main argument, how does the bible change? Humanity changes, everyone on this thread has agreed to that, but scripture does not. There will come a time where you can not interpret one unchanging phrase to fit the fact of an ever changing world.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Now, my main argument, how does the bible change? Humanity changes, everyone on this thread has agreed to that, but scripture does not. There will come a time where you can not interpret one unchanging phrase to fit the fact of an ever changing world.
I'm sorry, I might have missed something, when did everyone agree to that? Because when I suggested it I don't recall anyone, "agreeing to that."
All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.
*Newsflash* I'm 39 years old and AM one of those past teenagers lmao! I can tell you nothing but the music, clothes, and who is popular has changed. Have kids of my own and it is the same timeless story. Nothing substantial is different.
Teenagers havent changed, I can tell you as a parent, the only thing that has changed is the teens the media and the press focuses on, back in our times the druggies and whatnot were overlooked, now they are praised. If you look drug statistics of their use in teens have actually came down from 10.7 percent to 9.2 percent.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Ed there is no right or wrong. There is merely what society says we should do or what our brain says we shouldn't do. Why so you think vlad the impaler existed? Because he was free of that societal bond that instilled such a sense of right and wrong on him. However the boundaries of right or wrong are intensified with the fact that if I were to bash someones head in I have a pretty large chance of spending a while in jail.

Re: A discussion about religion

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DarK yes maybe 1 societal sector hasn't changed in about 20 years, but 300 years ago I could chuck a bucket of piss and unfathomable out my window and not suffer consequences, do that now then unfathomable goes down (unfathomable goes down both metaphorically and literally) you are a fool to think times and people haven't changed. First up no death sentence anymore, unless you are american (and a rim-licking republican) also another point, notice how americas educational system is 18th in the world and it is religious there? Now look at the UK, better educational system, less religion (and less violence) and that is less violence as a percentage so pure population size isn't a factor. The belief in a god is the idea of fools who don't know better. I have been asked a number of times "if god isn't real then where do the mountains come from?" And I literally then want to shove my fist into that guys mouth. Its as if they don't even google the unfathomable they asking! Widen your minds.

Re: A discussion about religion

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DarK yes maybe 1 societal sector hasn't changed in about 20 years, but 300 years ago I could chuck a bucket of piss and **** out my window and not suffer consequences, do that now then **** goes down (**** goes down both metaphorically and literally) you are a fool to think times and people haven't changed. First up no death sentence anymore, unless you are american (and a rim-licking republican) also another point, notice how americas educational system is 18th in the world and it is religious there? Now look at the UK, better educational system, less religion (and less violence) and that is less violence as a percentage so pure population size isn't a factor. The belief in a god is the idea of fools who don't know better. I have been asked a number of times "if god isn't real then where do the mountains come from?" And I literally then want to shove my fist into that guys mouth. Its as if they don't even google the **** they asking! Widen your minds.
Don't be stupid, I clearly was the one to acknowledge how much people in society have changed, and not for the better, hence why were in the last days.

If you're trying to insinuate that religion causes violence, then it is you who needs to do research, yea some wars have been because of religion, false religion, who is full of hypocrite priests and popes who claim they do Gods will yet support wars.

As many as 1.5 million Cambodians died in the Khmer Rouge effort to establish a godless Marxist state, and in the officially atheistic USSR, Joseph Stalin’s rule resulted in tens of millions of deaths.

So let's not pretend atheist country's would have more peace.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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DarK yes maybe 1 societal sector hasn't changed in about 20 years, but 300 years ago I could chuck a bucket of piss and **** out my window and not suffer consequences, do that now then **** goes down (**** goes down both metaphorically and literally) you are a fool to think times and people haven't changed. First up no death sentence anymore, unless you are american (and a rim-licking republican) also another point, notice how americas educational system is 18th in the world and it is religious there? Now look at the UK, better educational system, less religion (and less violence) and that is less violence as a percentage so pure population size isn't a factor. The belief in a god is the idea of fools who don't know better. I have been asked a number of times "if god isn't real then where do the mountains come from?" And I literally then want to shove my fist into that guys mouth. Its as if they don't even google the **** they asking! Widen your minds.
Don't be stupid, I clearly was the one to acknowledge how much people in society have changed, and not for the better, hence why were in the last days.

If you're trying to insinuate that religion causes violence, then it is you who needs to do research, yea some wars have been because of religion, false religion, who is full of hypocrite priests and popes who claim they do Gods will yet support wars.

As many as 1.5 million Cambodians died in the Khmer Rouge effort to establish a godless Marxist state, and in the officially atheistic USSR, Joseph Stalin’s rule resulted in tens of millions of deaths.

So let's not pretend atheist country's would have more peace.
Ahh yes the godwins law of religious debate. All those regimes were pushing a totatalarian regime with a supreme leader. All praise rhe eternal unquestionable supreme leader (sound familiar to religion)! None of those were done in the name of atheism rather they cracked down on religion because religion is an easy way to control stupid people - which they sought a monopoly on. Religion simply undermined thier authority. For a contemporary comparison look at china. Same deal.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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That my friend, is not a quote made by me, it was by a scientist, Molecular biologist to be exact, so it has no 'religious agenda' as you claim.

Even evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: “After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.”

According to New Scientist: “An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all. . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials.”

Obviously what you said is not backed up by science, just an atheist agenda. :)
There is zero debate about evolution except from butt hurt religious people because it disproves your fables.

It makes no matter what those crackpots said or what you 'believe'. I suggest you learn what's real before you wind up injuring/killing yourself and those around you by failing to understand what is real.

If you honestly think the bible is in agreement with measurable facts then you are either horribly ignorant, being obtuse, are clinically insane, or mentally challenged - or a combination of those.

Do yourself a favor and read non-religious drivel once and a while to keep those few neurons firing.

I clearly explained why the bible is scientifically correct and you didn't even bother reading that by the looks of it.


Even some scientist today refuse to keep believing in evolution and I've quoted them on several occasions.

Plus3, you want nothing more than to argue, you refuse to listen because all you want to do is insult, so I'm done trying to respect you, you are foolish and deranged, even senile, you have a moronic fixation with evolution that you claim has scientific evidence yet it's been disproven time after time.

Have fun believing your fairy tail, and hey! If you are correct maybe I can even grow out these wings I've always wanted, come to think of it, my back feels a bit itchy, that might be them now! Talk to you later going to fly around a bit.
No I read the entirety of your comment and even ventured a few looks as to where you got your bogus information. You didn't read where I show everything in genesis 1 to :24 is completely false - all biblical accounts are factually incorrect and have been falsified by evidence and experimentation that is repeatable. I don't know what pastor or clergy or misguided parent told you there is controversy about evolution - but they are completely wrong.

You and people like you are the ones making this country stupid. You are part of a major problem with the world.

It is your reality denial that is hurting yourself, those around you - and the similar thoughts in people that cause needless suffering and deaths around the world. Snap your eyes open and see reality not for me but for yourself.
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