Celtic Heroes

Now, my main argument, how does the bible change? Humanity changes, everyone on this thread has agreed to that, but scripture does not. There will come a time where you can not interpret one unchanging phrase to fit the fact of an ever changing world.

I'm sorry, I might have missed something, when did everyone agree to that? Because when I suggested it I don't recall anyone, "agreeing to that."

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

*Newsflash* I'm 39 years old and AM one of those past teenagers lmao! I can tell you nothing but the music, clothes, and who is popular has changed. Have kids of my own and it is the same timeless story. Nothing substantial is different.

Teenagers havent changed, I can tell you as a parent, the only thing that has changed is the teens the media and the press focuses on, back in our times the druggies and whatnot were overlooked, now they are praised. If you look drug statistics of their use in teens have actually came down from 10.7 percent to 9.2 percent.

They were talking about your specific example of teenagers. Also keep in mind, when I say humanity, I am not just referring to morals but also culture, knowledge, technology, wisdom, etc. We have obviously changed in those areas...

You may also notice that the people you quoted have clarified their points for you. These quotes, and the quotes you found earlier from "scientists," were taken out of context. That is called quote mining. Stop quote mining.

Oh yea? Elaborate how the scientist quotes were "taken out of context". That's a lie. I didn't paraphrase anything, it was their words, not mine, look it up yourself, they have started to realize evolution isn't completely based on facts. Look it up yourself.

I can just as easily say you quote mined Albert Einstine. It was taken out of context


Stop quote mining

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

The overall "improvement" in human morals and our way of life is independent of religion, atheism, etc. I agree that the bible could generally be a book of morals (gradually becoming outdated) but teaching children how to be polite, kind, respectful, etc, could be done without the use of religion. Just saying again, the last time when a supermajority of people believed in God, it was the dark ages. In any case, a leader's spiritual standpoint really has no relevance to the economy or other such affairs.

Based on your first line, this defence is used to say that Chritianity does not make things worse. I somewhat agree to an extent. If you decide to take the bible or other such scripture word for word, refusing to allow change or the expansion of possibilities, then religion would be harmful. We would slip back into the dark ages. However, if you have religion but still remain open to other possibilities, without discrimination, then there is no harm.

Wrong the last time the majority of people(at least in America;maybe europe) believed in God it was America's golden age.

Wrong the last time the majority of people(at least in America;maybe europe) believed in God it was America's golden age.

Explain, please. When I said supermajority, I actually mean like 99.9%. I would still like to know which point in history you are referring to.

Wrong the last time the majority of people(at least in America;maybe europe) believed in God it was America's golden age.

Explain, please. When I said supermajority, I actually mean like 99.9%. I would still like to know which point in history you are referring to.

I don't know about 99.9% but i am talking about the period of time from say about when America was founded to the 1950's. things got crazy in the sixties, seventies and eighties.

Oh yea? Elaborate how the scientist quotes were "taken out of context". That's a lie. I didn't paraphrase anything, it was their words, not mine, look it up yourself, they have started to realize evolution isn't completely based on facts. Look it up yourself.

I can just as easily say you quote mined Albert Einstine. It was taken out of context

Stop quote mining

To take something out of context includes more than just paraphrasing or not showing surrounding words. It is also about the nature of the writing and the source.

When I quoted Albert Einstein, it was not to prove something correct or incorrect. His opinion of God just happens to be just about the same as mine. Quite frankly, I really only quoted him to show how an opinion from one person (or even many people) can only provide insight that is imperfect and worthless in the face of data and investigation.

The people you quoted are on the outskirts of the scientific community with some even being regarded as not even scientists anymore. They have their own radical belief and opinion on these concepts. I could do the same thing by finding religious people on the outskirts of their religion who believe in evolution and say good things about it, but that would be taking their quote out of context. It would neither be a majority or representative of the overall position that others like them have.

Now, before you start complaining about the other quotes I used or gathering up more quotes to reply, I will tell you right now that what I used was to make a point that your answers in quotes were unreliable and a tad annoying. Answer with your own words and your own mind. If another source is needed, seek out well known sources for data and information. If you do in fact make a point, it is your burden to provide it with hard evidence and sound reasoning.

Wrong the last time the majority of people(at least in America;maybe europe) believed in God it was America's golden age.

Explain, please. When I said supermajority, I actually mean like 99.9%. I would still like to know which point in history you are referring to.

I don't know about 99.9% but i am talking about the period of time from say about when America was founded to the 1950's. things got crazy in the sixties, seventies and eighties.

Oh, I see. Well, um... I would not exactly call it the golden age but I see the point that religion in way united people in different ways. The dark ages is just my example of the worst effect though. As I said earlier, religion can not be blamed entirely for everything bad that happens. Almost every major idea/concept has a portion of the blame for dark moments in history.

We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.

We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.

Not true at all. That is more of the role of religions. Science and the scientific method is the opposite. You look at the evidence and see where it leads you.

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

I'm sure you will argue that we are a Christian nation instead of it being founded as a secular nation by the largely non religious. But that can be a seperate fun argument.

Even if the bible has good lessons in it (which with heavy cherry picking you can indeed find) does not mean its true. Just because it makes you feel less afraid of reality does not make it true. Not knowing what is real is extremely dangerous - look what catholic missionaries did in africa preaching the evils of condoms for example. Or the Christian cults that deny vaccienes. Or the people that think god will take care of things like thier medical conditions instead of seeking proper treatment.

Religion is a disease of the brain. Some here are obviously seriously infected and you fail to inoculate yourself with facts and reason.

I can only hope you are able to perceive the suffer endless suffering you cause and have aided before you finally leave this world.

No it's stupid clueless people like you that ruin the world. You don't even know what you're saying. I did read your comment which you copied and pasted since you had already used that bogus misguided arguement. You ignored every word in there because you did not even bother to comment on every other scientific supported biblical text.


They officially did declare themselves Athiest so do some research bud. You don't even bother to look this stuff up. Must be nice believing that you will die, then never have the chance to see your loved ones again

Let's get one thing straight, I don't have a "pastor" "pope" "clergy" or any of that, I'm not one of the mindless misguided people who believe in heaven and hell, and believe anything their leaders tell them, I read the bible and believe what it says, not what some old gold digging religious leader tells me to believe.

You won't be with your loved ones either after you die - there is no supporting evidence and it seems highly unlikely given how the universe works.

I read every word but you used no logic and no facts and never brought up why anything I said is scientifically invalid. Repost is easier since you obviously couldn't force yourself to view the truth.

Never said they didn't declare themselves to be atheist. I said they did not to it in the name of atheism like the Spanish I question or the crusades were in the name of religion.

If you had sufficient reading comprehension you would see that I gave the reason that they wanted to brainwash and control the populace and religion cuts into that game. They were no more in the name of atheism than china - who bans non state supported religion for the exact same reason. Atheism does not equal facist totalitalarian regimes.