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Re: A discussion about religion

#1153
We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.
Not true at all. That is more of the role of religions. Science and the scientific method is the opposite. You look at the evidence and see where it leads you.
Oh ima 10/10 atheist btw (:

I don't wanna be a part of there big pyramid scheme ):

Re: A discussion about religion

#1154
We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.
Not true at all. That is more of the role of religions. Science and the scientific method is the opposite. You look at the evidence and see where it leads you.
Oh ima 10/10 atheist btw (:

I don't wanna be a part of there big pyramid scheme ):
Ahh. Didn't mean to imply you were by that comment. I wanted to say that religions make stuff up then any evidence they come across they try to fit into that model. But science is mostly the opposite - you collect data as subjectively as possible and then see where it leads. You do have to make a guess as to where that is but it's not the same as setting out to prove something from the start.

Sorry if I wasn't clear in that.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done
The overall "improvement" in human morals and our way of life is independent of religion, atheism, etc. I agree that the bible could generally be a book of morals (gradually becoming outdated) but teaching children how to be polite, kind, respectful, etc, could be done without the use of religion. Just saying again, the last time when a supermajority of people believed in God, it was the dark ages. In any case, a leader's spiritual standpoint really has no relevance to the economy or other such affairs.

Based on your first line, this defence is used to say that Chritianity does not make things worse. I somewhat agree to an extent. If you decide to take the bible or other such scripture word for word, refusing to allow change or the expansion of possibilities, then religion would be harmful. We would slip back into the dark ages. However, if you have religion but still remain open to other possibilities, without discrimination, then there is no harm.
I used to think this way. However after seeing how most people cant limit themselves to filling in scientific gaps but instead are trying to overwrite them - and seeing how believing in a false picture of reality leads to a lot of inadvertent deaths, suffering, lack of progress, and inefficiency - I can't be supportive of it anymore.

People that tend to accept factual reality often don't need the supernatural to fill gaps in knowledge. They use their creativity and aren't nearly as dissapointed when those gaps shrink and force the supernatural even further from plausible reality.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done
You got out of the depression by going into a *** war! Thats what got you out, war based jobs opened up so the economy sorted itself out. The times where the church ruled were called the dark ages for a reason.

Re: A discussion about religion

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U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done
I didn't know we stopped teaching our kids to not murder people, and how stealing is wrong, and how they shouldn't be respecting their parents...

And nothing about the Great Depression involves God, war got us out of the Great Depression. If you want to argue that God approves of mass murdering of people that don't follow his word 100% then that just shows how much of bigots you are.
Stocks were going way up and people were investing in them too much hoping to get rich quick. The companies couldn't deliver and the banks lost money.

What i was trying to say was that many parents basically give their kids everything they want. The kids then grow up thinking that they can get anything they want(mostly; some turn out fine). Then they steal or murder and basically become lazy good for nothin's that sit around griping because they didnt get their way.
Wrong. In general its the kids who cant afford the stuff who steal, think about it. You could go out and steal a new pair of shoes or just ask ur mum/dad. The reason the poor people steal is because they dont have the option to ask their mum/dad

Re: A discussion about religion

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Wrong the last time the majority of people(at least in America;maybe europe) believed in God it was America's golden age.
Explain, please. When I said supermajority, I actually mean like 99.9%. I would still like to know which point in history you are referring to.
I don't know about 99.9% but i am talking about the period of time from say about when America was founded to the 1950's. things got crazy in the sixties, seventies and eighties.
So the 60s is americas GOLDEN AGE!!!?!?!?! The greatest decade for religion is the swingin' sixties?

Re: A discussion about religion

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqNIbjcv_w


Watch this and then come back and tell me that evolution is perfectly reasonable.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqNIbjcv_w


Watch this and then come back and tell me that evolution is perfectly reasonable.
you mean the convicted felon criminal who is in jail right now for scamming people and taxes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

lmao! That guy is a self serving jerk, and spews more bullshi+ than all the farm runoff in the world. A toddler could see through his crap.

Try using references like PlosOne or Nature for your 'scientific' evidence. Those are actually peer reviewed journals.
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