Re: A discussion about religion
#1162Just because hes in jail doesn't mean what he said is not true.you mean the convicted felon criminal who is in jail right now for scamming people and taxes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovindhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqNIbjcv_w
Watch this and then come back and tell me that evolution is perfectly reasonable.
lmao! That guy is a self serving jerk, and spews more bullshi+ than all the farm runoff in the world. A toddler could see through his crap.
Try using references like PlosOne or Nature for your 'scientific' evidence. Those are actually peer reviewed journals.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1163That is exactly what I said Magixal. If there is no god then there is only smart and stupid, socially acceptable and socially unacceptable. Plus3 is the one who said there is still good and evil without a god, though it could be argued that "right and wrong" are different from "good and evil".Ed there is no right or wrong. There is merely what society says we should do or what our brain says we shouldn't do. Why so you think vlad the impaler existed? Because he was free of that societal bond that instilled such a sense of right and wrong on him. However the boundaries of right or wrong are intensified with the fact that if I were to bash someones head in I have a pretty large chance of spending a while in jail.
Re: A discussion about religion
#1164Lawdy lawdy ohhhh lawwwwd give give me the strength haha
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1165As far as religion and evolution, absolutely. Also in many other areas.We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.
The reason I claim no religion and also do not believe evolution is because of the way evidence is used by all sides to reach their own conclusions, but I am unconvinced and unsatisfied with any of the explanations.
As far as I have ever seen:
Evolution is not proven and I don't believe it is necessarily true, but I believe it is a possible explanation with insufficient evidence that may be proven some day.
The Bible is not proven and I don't believe it is necessarily true, but I believe it is a possible explanation with insufficient evidence that may be proven some day.
To the objective listener, both sides have arguments that make sense and arguments that are biased.
I still think the most likely explanation for the origin of the universe is that a god created it and no one has given anything like an intelligent argument to convince me otherwise. It makes sense that a god would be intelligent, so I am leaned towards intelligent design. This does not mean I believe that the god of the Bible is the answer, but I think it is one possibility.
Re: A discussion about religion
#1166because he is in jail for scamming and lying yes it is evidence he lies publically and often lol. It is very easy to debunk. Try sourcing some evidence instead of crackpots that have been locked up for lying who don't present any scientific evidence in their BS youtube videos.Just because hes in jail doesn't mean what he said is not true.you mean the convicted felon criminal who is in jail right now for scamming people and taxes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovindhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqNIbjcv_w
Watch this and then come back and tell me that evolution is perfectly reasonable.
lmao! That guy is a self serving jerk, and spews more bullshi+ than all the farm runoff in the world. A toddler could see through his crap.
Try using references like PlosOne or Nature for your 'scientific' evidence. Those are actually peer reviewed journals.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1167I knew you were annoying in game at times but not mentally challenged. I find it funny how i disprove your theory's and its 'taking things out of context' but when you do it, in your mind, it's using facts. Sit down Doc, you aren't making any sense.To take something out of context includes more than just paraphrasing or not showing surrounding words. It is also about the nature of the writing and the source.Oh yea? Elaborate how the scientist quotes were "taken out of context". That's a lie. I didn't paraphrase anything, it was their words, not mine, look it up yourself, they have started to realize evolution isn't completely based on facts. Look it up yourself.
I can just as easily say you quote mined Albert Einstine. It was taken out of context
Stop quote mining
When I quoted Albert Einstein, it was not to prove something correct or incorrect. His opinion of God just happens to be just about the same as mine. Quite frankly, I really only quoted him to show how an opinion from one person (or even many people) can only provide insight that is imperfect and worthless in the face of data and investigation.
The people you quoted are on the outskirts of the scientific community with some even being regarded as not even scientists anymore. They have their own radical belief and opinion on these concepts. I could do the same thing by finding religious people on the outskirts of their religion who believe in evolution and say good things about it, but that would be taking their quote out of context. It would neither be a majority or representative of the overall position that others like them have.
Now, before you start complaining about the other quotes I used or gathering up more quotes to reply, I will tell you right now that what I used was to make a point that your answers in quotes were unreliable and a tad annoying. Answer with your own words and your own mind. If another source is needed, seek out well known sources for data and information. If you do in fact make a point, it is your burden to provide it with hard evidence and sound reasoning.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1168Ive already contacted Nature and told them you are submitting ground breaking research showing that hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed submissions are completely wrong and you personally are about to rewrite the entire known history of biology.I knew you were annoying in game at times but not mentally challenged. I find it funny how i disprove your theory's and its 'taking things out of context' but when you do it, in your mind, it's using facts. Sit down Doc, you aren't making any sense.To take something out of context includes more than just paraphrasing or not showing surrounding words. It is also about the nature of the writing and the source.Oh yea? Elaborate how the scientist quotes were "taken out of context". That's a lie. I didn't paraphrase anything, it was their words, not mine, look it up yourself, they have started to realize evolution isn't completely based on facts. Look it up yourself.
I can just as easily say you quote mined Albert Einstine. It was taken out of context
Stop quote mining
When I quoted Albert Einstein, it was not to prove something correct or incorrect. His opinion of God just happens to be just about the same as mine. Quite frankly, I really only quoted him to show how an opinion from one person (or even many people) can only provide insight that is imperfect and worthless in the face of data and investigation.
The people you quoted are on the outskirts of the scientific community with some even being regarded as not even scientists anymore. They have their own radical belief and opinion on these concepts. I could do the same thing by finding religious people on the outskirts of their religion who believe in evolution and say good things about it, but that would be taking their quote out of context. It would neither be a majority or representative of the overall position that others like them have.
Now, before you start complaining about the other quotes I used or gathering up more quotes to reply, I will tell you right now that what I used was to make a point that your answers in quotes were unreliable and a tad annoying. Answer with your own words and your own mind. If another source is needed, seek out well known sources for data and information. If you do in fact make a point, it is your burden to provide it with hard evidence and sound reasoning.
My god and I got to know you before you were a science superstar. Im so jealous. Hope you remember the little guy that helped you on your way.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1169Yes if you listen to stories they are equal. Look at real world hard facts and evidence - there is no comparison. Evolution has unbelievable amounts of evidence with no contradictory evidence while the bible is riddled with self contradictions and has many claims that are falsifiable through repeatable scientific testing.As far as religion and evolution, absolutely. Also in many other areas.We all lead the evidence to the conclusion that we want to accept.
The reason I claim no religion and also do not believe evolution is because of the way evidence is used by all sides to reach their own conclusions, but I am unconvinced and unsatisfied with any of the explanations.
As far as I have ever seen:
Evolution is not proven and I don't believe it is necessarily true, but I believe it is a possible explanation with insufficient evidence that may be proven some day.
The Bible is not proven and I don't believe it is necessarily true, but I believe it is a possible explanation with insufficient evidence that may be proven some day.
To the objective listener, both sides have arguments that make sense and arguments that are biased.
I still think the most likely explanation for the origin of the universe is that a god created it and no one has given anything like an intelligent argument to convince me otherwise. It makes sense that a god would be intelligent, so I am leaned towards intelligent design. This does not mean I believe that the god of the Bible is the answer, but I think it is one possibility.
The world is extremely fine grained. While we may use language to describe something like evolution the fact is that it is made up of something on the order of 10^45 particles which have undergone an equally mind boggling amount of steps of time. This means that for truthful things, like evolution, its facts all the way down - there is a near infinite amount of details you can examine at finer and finer scales all which reveal the same truth. Darwin had no idea what DNA even was and yet it knits all of life so intricately, precisely, and perfectly into his theory that it is beyond obvious - it is a cold hard fact. I mean FFS you can have your DNA tested to see how many Neanderthal genes you have because we have sampled bone marrow fragments and have sequenced the Neanderthal genome and have proof humans interbred with them sexually.
Though to people who cant think, use anecdotal stories instead of facts, and let themselves be convinced of comforting things to fit in with their peers - I can see how they could look like they had similar levels of credibility.
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Re: A discussion about religion
#1170...Not sure if you read what I wrote and now decided to rage quit or if you did not read anything and then assumed I actually said those quotes were hard evidence. Go back and look at it. It is not edited or changed in any way.I knew you were annoying in game at times but not mentally challenged. I find it funny how i disprove your theory's and its 'taking things out of context' but when you do it, in your mind, it's using facts. Sit down Doc, you aren't making any sense.To take something out of context includes more than just paraphrasing or not showing surrounding words. It is also about the nature of the writing and the source.Oh yea? Elaborate how the scientist quotes were "taken out of context". That's a lie. I didn't paraphrase anything, it was their words, not mine, look it up yourself, they have started to realize evolution isn't completely based on facts. Look it up yourself.
I can just as easily say you quote mined Albert Einstine. It was taken out of context
Stop quote mining
When I quoted Albert Einstein, it was not to prove something correct or incorrect. His opinion of God just happens to be just about the same as mine. Quite frankly, I really only quoted him to show how an opinion from one person (or even many people) can only provide insight that is imperfect and worthless in the face of data and investigation.
The people you quoted are on the outskirts of the scientific community with some even being regarded as not even scientists anymore. They have their own radical belief and opinion on these concepts. I could do the same thing by finding religious people on the outskirts of their religion who believe in evolution and say good things about it, but that would be taking their quote out of context. It would neither be a majority or representative of the overall position that others like them have.
Now, before you start complaining about the other quotes I used or gathering up more quotes to reply, I will tell you right now that what I used was to make a point that your answers in quotes were unreliable and a tad annoying. Answer with your own words and your own mind. If another source is needed, seek out well known sources for data and information. If you do in fact make a point, it is your burden to provide it with hard evidence and sound reasoning.
I will repeat, assuming you do not re-read the post, I used those quotes to show how INEFFECTIVE quoting excessively, as you seem to do a lot, is for proving a point. I did not use them as facts at all. If you want part of the cold hard truth, it was mockery...
You did not disprove anything. You quoted some scripture and a few people who have their own OPINIONS. You tried to emphasise that they were scientists and their opinion contradicts the scientific community. Well, the scientific community still upholds evolution and the main debates are now on the mechanisms of evolution but not the theory in general. If you are still doubt this, look it up and actually show me numbers that scientists are slowly denying evolution.