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Re: A discussion about religion

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Reading these newer posts. I see Atheists are whining because they can't handle the fact of a presence higher then them.

It's like they want to be adults and do whatever they want, without rules. Therefore, I find that Atheists are mostly denying religion because they want to have control.

Bad childhood perhaps?
Atheists could easily reply to you and say that those who are religious can't handle the fact that we don't have all the answers and can't handle that there may not be anyone higher than them to look to. You see where I'm going?

Atheists have just as many rules as everyone else. Our lives are governed by rules and law, set by us. Most of the world revolves around hierarchy and so I find it hard to believe that atheists don't like having anyone above them with rules or control. Religious people can have control of their own lives as much as atheists can.

Atheists may argue that bad childhood and a protected upbringing can lead to narrow-minded religious adults. You would argue that this is not true, as your argument is not true.
The evolutionists commenting here are simply not rational, and refuse to listen to reason. So I am done trying to convince them. However I must say, if evolution was indeed real, which it most certainly is not, then that means these apes, should have evolved into superior beings, while some might arguably say that we have, I'd say, not necessarily. Sure we've made huge advancements in modern medicine, and technology has largely improved in the last decade.
Have we really improved as a species though?

Since 1914, war has constantly plagued mankind. Just 21 years after World War I ended, a second world war broke out, killing far more people. One estimate says that World War II cost some 60 million lives. Since 1945, wars have been more localized but just as brutal. Some historians estimate that well over a hundred million people lost their lives in wars during the 20th century.

Please spare me the lecture and pass the banana, I'd much rather be an ape.
I come with an open mind, but there seems to be an answer to the logic you are raising. The primates DID evolve into superior beings. We have more complex language, we are physiologically more superior - our brains are similar but humans have a larger frontal lobe for reasoning and calculation. That's why we can build houses and cause advancements in medicine and technology. In terms of why the primates did not ALL evolve into humans is down to speciation caused by geographical, allopatric, or behavioural, sympatric, isolation.

World War I and II were caused by certain individuals and governments and not by the general population. You think the citizens of each country wanted a war? Wars are a completely new debate altogether, and are mostly created with the (pretty naive) aim of creating rules and/or order. Hitler for example wanted his own set of rules to be implemented which was one of the main factors of WWII. Wars nowadays can be over oil disputes and the rules regarding them. We have rules, but we dispute over them. It can easily be applied back to the Crusades - there was violence there over religion - religion isn't all glamorous!
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Re: A discussion about religion

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In a first I think i'm going to agree with EdElric on the above post. That man and the stuff he spews really is garbage and not part of a serious debate. Use evidence such as peer reviewed journal articles - its far better and people will take you much more seriously.
So it's so easy to debunk that you cnt debate it? It's not his material that they don't support. They just don't support his views on the tax issue. Vraelen, he showed a lot of facts. If you want i could post a video of an evolutionist vs creationist debate so that we can see both sides of the story. Just because the facts are simple does not mean they are not true.
No it is his personal crackpot theories creationists don't support. Obvious you never even read the Wikipedia article.

The man has a museum depicting dinosaurs and humans living side by side and saying it was just a few thousand years ago. He has the Loch Ness monster too. Please read the Wikipedia link first and then ask a specific question.


You make yourself sound horribly uninformed and irrational even to religious apologists and creationists by even trying to bring his crap up.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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The evolutionists commenting here are simply not rational, and refuse to listen to reason. So I am done trying to convince them. However I must say, if evolution was indeed real, which it most certainly is not, then that means these apes, should have evolved into superior beings, while some might arguably say that we have, I'd say, not necessarily. Sure we've made huge advancements in modern medicine, and technology has largely improved in the last decade.
Have we really improved as a species though?

Since 1914, war has constantly plagued mankind. Just 21 years after World War I ended, a second world war broke out, killing far more people. One estimate says that World War II cost some 60 million lives. Since 1945, wars have been more localized but just as brutal. Some historians estimate that well over a hundred million people lost their lives in wars during the 20th century.

Please spare me the lecture and pass the banana, I'd much rather be an ape.
As has already been brought up implying war is closely related to evolution through your non sequitur reasoning is nonsense.

Evolution does not have a goal. It does not aim for any complexity. It simply spreads outward in possibility through gene mutation and alterations. What works and survives does and what dosent gets trimmed away. Things like cockroaches are so well adapted for their niche environments that mutations go largely unused and it keeps its current form. Other primates and humans shared a common ancestor and therefore have had the same time to evolve. Dumbing it down humans and other primate species are siblings with the same parent species. However that does not mean that they evolved rational thought or language like humans - different environmental pressures have had different effects. Obviously you don't even understand the basics which is probably why you can't see the validity of the claims made by evolution.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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The evolutionists commenting here are simply not rational, and refuse to listen to reason. So I am done trying to convince them. However I must say, if evolution was indeed real, which it most certainly is not, then that means these apes, should have evolved into superior beings, while some might arguably say that we have, I'd say, not necessarily. Sure we've made huge advancements in modern medicine, and technology has largely improved in the last decade.
Have we really improved as a species though?

Since 1914, war has constantly plagued mankind. Just 21 years after World War I ended, a second world war broke out, killing far more people. One estimate says that World War II cost some 60 million lives. Since 1945, wars have been more localized but just as brutal. Some historians estimate that well over a hundred million people lost their lives in wars during the 20th century.

Please spare me the lecture and pass the banana, I'd much rather be an ape.
Listen to reason? You quoted bs, without even explaining it, and you call it reason? Evolution does not have a goal. It does not follow a special blueprint. It is chance. Not blind chance but simply a chance that a species could mutate in order to better survive changing conditions.

Your example is highly incorrect for two reasons: One, you are drawing a direct connection between evolution and war which means you equate human behaviour with evolution. Evolution is not about how our culture and views change but how our species changes physically. If our brain changes, then you may analyse these changes with human behaviour.

Two, you are focused on the present. Yes, the 20th century is the present in evolutionary terms. Evolution occurs over thousands if not millions of years which means, if you really want to pick at something, you would have to "zoom out" to an earlier Earth with different conditions.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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You probably lost him when you suggested the earth is over a few thousand years old.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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The evolutionists commenting here are simply not rational, and refuse to listen to reason. So I am done trying to convince them. However I must say, if evolution was indeed real, which it most certainly is not, then that means these apes, should have evolved into superior beings, while some might arguably say that we have, I'd say, not necessarily. Sure we've made huge advancements in modern medicine, and technology has largely improved in the last decade.
Have we really improved as a species though?

Since 1914, war has constantly plagued mankind. Just 21 years after World War I ended, a second world war broke out, killing far more people. One estimate says that World War II cost some 60 million lives. Since 1945, wars have been more localized but just as brutal. Some historians estimate that well over a hundred million people lost their lives in wars during the 20th century.

Please spare me the lecture and pass the banana, I'd much rather be an ape.
Evolution doesn't make us superior beings. It makes us better suited to our environment. A lion is superior in africa, but in the arctic? No chance.

Re: A discussion about religion

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Reading these newer posts. I see Atheists are whining because they can't handle the fact of a presence higher then them.

It's like they want to be adults and do whatever they want, without rules. Therefore, I find that Atheists are mostly denying religion because they want to have control.

Bad childhood perhaps?
No, in fact i find myself to be much happier now at 18 than any of my religious peers who are now seeing the world through their own eyes and not they eyes of their parents and the faith they were raised in


Its not about control, its about not being blinded by faith. I could accept the notion of a creator as the Big Bang can not be proved either, though not a creator that plays an active role anymore. What i dont accept is the ignorance in denying facts for scripture
big bang kinda has been proven...

Re: A discussion about religion

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You probably lost him when you suggested the earth is over a few thousand years old.
Plus at least have some respect for them. Don't you know that these people are brainwashed. We cant totally dis-respect belief when they have been brain washed. Did you know that a person will believe any lie. No matter how big. If they are simply told it enough times. Its the logic hitler pulled. Butter the kids up with the candy and then call on them to do your bidding.

Re: A discussion about religion

#1189
Better get you some truth medicine, stat!
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Where was that respect for me in that PM magic? I have lost any respect for you and Plus3 that I mightve had.

Pig is getting there too.
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