Celtic Heroes

You probably lost him when you suggested the earth is over a few thousand years old.

Plus at least have some respect for them. Don't you know that these people are brainwashed. We cant totally dis-respect belief when they have been brain washed. Did you know that a person will believe any lie. No matter how big. If they are simply told it enough times. Its the logic hitler pulled. Butter the kids up with the candy and then call on them to do your bidding.

Brainwashed... Well, I do not know about that... I mean, I was a pretty solid Christian up untill a few years ago. Then, I really started doing research and came to the conclusion that I must look at the world more objectively. I want to believe that there is a powerful being out there that really does have everything under control and a special place in their heart (metaphorically) for humanity. However, in the face of an ever changing world, a collection of permanent words will not keep up forever and there is no hard evidence of any higher being for over a thousand years.

There are still some things that can not be ignored though. Certain predictions about the rise and fall of empires, specific details regarding events, and the similarity between creation and the Big Bang. People think creationism and the Big Bang are opposites but they are in fact mirror concepts. The timeline for both can only be guessed but both agree that there was a burst of creation, be it by a tiny but super dense particle or by an act of some god. My point is, every lie does sprout from a kernel of truth. I do not think monks would have seriously made so many copies of scripture to simply troll humanity.

The answer, however, (and this is just my opinion) is not in scripture, following some god, living in fear of the consequences, and/or especially just sitting around waiting to see. No. It has been over a thousand years (I think 2000, ya?) and we have bot heard a peep from anything divine. Even if I was a Christian, I would take that as the Go signal to consider the radical ideas that could undermine religion but also support it. If that really is outside of the grand plan, then I am sure whatever being may be out there would do something but for now, religion seems more like a burden than a blessing.

Where was that respect for me in that PM magic? I have lost any respect for you and Plus3 that I mightve had.

Pig is getting there too.

Whoa out of all the athiest posters i am probably the least hostile... But ok

The reason I am not respectful is that I do not respect people who accept scripture or any made up belief over facts and solid evidence. This type of belief has been respected for a long time - In fact in many times and places the right type was pretty much required for respect.

But having a false picture of reality leads to discrimination, inefficiency, lack of progress, and many preventable problems such as inadvertent injuries, infections, and deaths. When you don't know what is real you aren't making good choices for yourself or those around you. They are a danger to themselves and others. Removing the respect that in my opinion should not be there, if enough people do it, can create the discomfort that, again in my experience and opinion, helps drive change.

Its obvious facts and respectful approaches are getting almost nowhere on their own.

Just a small comment passing thru

Ok so plus3 you cnt debate the evidence i gave you because it gives some credibility to something that shouldn't have credibility? This "is stupid". If these true facts, give creationism credibility then they need to be debated. If this evidence that i have given you is so bogus or not applicable then why has this "crackpot" been able to debate and beat professors and scientists who know much more about evolution than you or me? This man( though i dnt agree with him on the tax issue) has beaten many people who think they know twice as much about science as you think you know. The thing you must realize is that the things that evolution needs to explain or rationalize, creationism either doesn't need to explain or it would expect it or its plausible explanations are more plausible than evolutions.

Ok so plus3 you cnt debate the evidence i gave you because it gives some credibility to something that shouldn't have credibility? This "is stupid". If these true facts, give creationism credibility then they need to be debated. If this evidence that i have given you is so bogus or not applicable then why has this "crackpot" been able to debate and beat professors and scientists who know much more about evolution than you or me? This man( though i dnt agree with him on the tax issue) has beaten many people who think they know twice as much about science as you think you know. The thing you must realize is that the things that evolution needs to explain or rationalize, creationism either doesn't need to explain or it would expect it or its plausible explanations are more plausible than evolutions.

First off I suggest reading how many creationists do not agree with him because of his personal crackpot ideas. Read the wiki link I posted its not long at all. Then ask a specific question.

If you want to go down the road of saying people and dinosaurs lived together 3000 years ago and dinosaurs are still hiding out in the woods around the world unseen then we can go there.

He has 'beaten' no one when it comes to presenting evidence and theories consistent with the scientific method.

Just pointing out. Black slavery was stopped in the north of the USA a lot quicker than before the south. South AKA bible belt and reddogy you seem to disrespect anyone who goes against your belief, my PM to you was pointing out that calling atheism a religion is stupid and I called you close minded because this whole "satan" *** like come on. Grow the *** up satan is the boogeyman in the closet taken to another level. The brainwashed remain brainwashed. Maybe if u would use ur resources to actually google search the unfathomable then you wouldn't be so ignorant. I do believe you were one of the people saying the big bang was an explosion. The educational system fails again. Big bang was a slow expansion. wise up or shut up.

The thing you must realize is that the things that evolution needs to explain or rationalize, creationism either doesn't need to explain or it would expect it or its plausible explanations are more plausible than evolutions.

Wait, I do not understand... Are you saying only evolution needs evidence and rationalisation whilst creationism gets a free ride? I understand that religion needs some leeway since the general idea is that there exists a power beyond our understanding but I still think there is a need for some level of hard evidence and rational thought for everything. Forgive me if I have misinterpreted the quote.

So... A big god is the sky is more realistic than the idea of macro evolution. You sir. Have won the idiot award of 2014. And we are only 6 days into 2014!

The thing you must realize is that the things that evolution needs to explain or rationalize, creationism either doesn't need to explain or it would expect it or its plausible explanations are more plausible than evolutions.

Wait, I do not understand... Are you saying only evolution needs evidence and rationalisation whilst creationism gets a free ride? I understand that religion needs some leeway since the general idea is that there exists a power beyond our understanding but I still think there is a need for some level of hard evidence and rational thought for everything. Forgive me if I have misinterpreted the quote.

This including the fact the Christian god is not a great lier and deceiver. Perhaps he will try the ever popular 'Satan put fossils in the ground to deceive us from the true path of god!!'

If we don't need evidence there is nothing limiting the thousands of other gods people have taken seriously or the near nfinite ones that could just be made up. Similar to pascals wager making one not pick a Christian god because Jesus forbids worship of other gods - a more likely winning strategy is to beef up my chances of picking the right god by worshiping a few hundred who don't care if you worship false ones thereby increasing my chances of salvation.