Celtic Heroes

I said it would be easier. The problem with ongoing debates like this is that it takes time that some people don't really have. I agree that it can be easier to structure your thoughts but it can take a lot of time and this can be annoying.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"
- John Wooden

Well there is one way to tell. If a bunch of evolutionists became creationists or vise versa then i think we would know lol. Every debate has a "winner". That is most of the time decided either by the media or the public. And if evolution is so stable that it cnt be proven wrong, then why do many evolutionists refuse to debate?

Every debate may have a true winner but to the individual, the winner will always be who they want it to be, despite the events of the debate. That is human nature.

People do not simply convert like that. More to the point, I have never heard of an evolutionist converting to creationism, at least not YEC.

I said it would be easier. The problem with ongoing debates like this is that it takes time that some people don't really have. I agree that it can be easier to structure your thoughts but it can take a lot of time and this can be annoying.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"
- John Wooden

Well there is one way to tell. If a bunch of evolutionists became creationists or vise versa then i think we would know lol. Every debate has a "winner". That is most of the time decided either by the media or the public. And if evolution is so stable that it cnt be proven wrong, then why do many evolutionists refuse to debate?

Every debate may have a true winner but to the individual, the winner will always be who they want it to be, despite the events of the debate. That is human nature.

People do not simply convert like that. More to the point, I have never heard of an evolutionist converting to creationism, at least not YEC.

Dosent this hit close to home? Already you are having to repeat yourself over and over on the same ponts. I wonder why you keep trying to competently answer questions with sources to solid facts and evidence when it's obvious that some people do not have a developed sense of rationality - its been bound up from birth like the feet of 18th century wealthy Chinese women.

Personally I've done about as much as I can stomach. If people can't tell what's real hopefully the universe will sort it out Darwin style without too much collateral damage.

Well plus3 when we die we will know the truth. I just would rather know that im going to heaven if im right. And not going to hell if im wrong.

Well plus3 when we die we will know the truth. I just would rather know that im going to heaven if im right. And not going to hell if im wrong.

If that's what you think then you haven't started to piece together facts. While no one can be sure of what happens after death if there is no Christian god then the probability you will know after death is vanishingly small. Pretty safe to say that you won't know and instead will have wasted the one life you have focusing on the imaginary hereafter.

Also don't discount other gods. Zeus dosent really like Jesus for cutting into his action And there will be no elysian fields for you - id keep that fare for charon handy.

- its been bound up from birth like the feet of 18th century wealthy Chinese women.

Lol, this is a great simile.

wasted the one life you have focusing on the imaginary

And this is what I am worried about.

I think that, wrong or not, looking forward to an afterlife is far better than looking forward to nothing after death.
One of the great sweetness es in life is looking forward to something, if you have nothing to look forward to your life is dull and purposeless. Once you die, it will not matter if you were wrong about an afterlife, but it did make your life that much sweeter. You lived to do your best to prepare for another life, you lived looking forward to something, and you lived with comfort and assurance. This is what I see in my family.
Living not knowing if there is something after death or even thinking there is nothing is a life of fear, a life with nothing after, a seemingly pointless blip of an existence that will, except in a very very few cases, be forgotten completely. You live a short life, then you have nothing. Even your pathetic existence, while it lasts, is full of the fear that it could end any time. Nor is it very important, there are billions of others like you, or more important than you. Your existence is temporary, it will inevitably end, and it isn't even very important.

I am also interested in hearing people's thoughts on these: how valuable is a human life? How important is it? And why?

What is the point of life? Why do you bother living?

Everyone needs to be able to answer these questions and I will ask a few more if people do.
Essentially, debating to try and prove each other wrong is pointless, and not just pointless, but almost stupid. I doubt anyone is going to change their views. It is much more important to try and think deeper and evaluate yourself and your world, a discussion of beliefs (expanding from religion because atheists say they aren't religious but I think their thoughts to be included).

In short, get past trying to be the one who is right. We all know every side thinks it is right.

I think that, wrong or not, looking forward to an afterlife is far better than looking forward to nothing after death.
One of the great sweetness es in life is looking forward to something, if you have nothing to look forward to your life is dull and purposeless. Once you die, it will not matter if you were wrong about an afterlife, but it did make your life that much sweeter. You lived to do your best to prepare for another life, you lived looking forward to something, and you lived with comfort and assurance. This is what I see in my family.
Living not knowing if there is something after death or even thinking there is nothing is a life of fear, a life with nothing after, a seemingly pointless blip of an existence that will, except in a very very few cases, be forgotten completely. You live a short life, then you have nothing. Even your pathetic existence, while it lasts, is full of the fear that it could end any time. Nor is it very important, there are billions of others like you, or more important than you. Your existence is temporary, it will inevitably end, and it isn't even very important.

I am also interested in hearing people's thoughts on these: how valuable is a human life? How important is it? And why?

What is the point of life? Why do you bother living?

Everyone needs to be able to answer these questions and I will ask a few more if people do.
Essentially, debating to try and prove each other wrong is pointless, and not just pointless, but almost stupid. I doubt anyone is going to change their views. It is much more important to try and think deeper and evaluate yourself and your world, a discussion of beliefs (expanding from religion because atheists say they aren't religious but I think their thoughts to be included).

I for one think it's sad wasting the time here in this life we all know for certain we have - in favor of wish thinking there is something more and better after. The odds that you exist as you are are truly fantastic in any case of belief I've seen - it is a huge waste to just throw parts of it away prepping for something that has no evidence of existing.

The world would likely be a much better place for everyone if instead people focused on the here and now and made that better instead. People would have minds that are more relaxed and at peace if they did things not out of fear or reward dished our by a divine parent figure but out of actual empathy for others with no desire for reward other than the good it does the world. If there was a benign god I'd imagine that would gain you more respect from it as well.

I think that, wrong or not, looking forward to an afterlife is far better than looking forward to nothing after death.
One of the great sweetness es in life is looking forward to something, if you have nothing to look forward to your life is dull and purposeless. Once you die, it will not matter if you were wrong about an afterlife, but it did make your life that much sweeter. You lived to do your best to prepare for another life, you lived looking forward to something, and you lived with comfort and assurance. This is what I see in my family.
Living not knowing if there is something after death or even thinking there is nothing is a life of fear, a life with nothing after, a seemingly pointless blip of an existence that will, except in a very very few cases, be forgotten completely. You live a short life, then you have nothing. Even your pathetic existence, while it lasts, is full of the fear that it could end any time. Nor is it very important, there are billions of others like you, or more important than you. Your existence is temporary, it will inevitably end, and it isn't even very important.

I am also interested in hearing people's thoughts on these: how valuable is a human life? How important is it? And why?

What is the point of life? Why do you bother living?

Everyone needs to be able to answer these questions and I will ask a few more if people do.
Essentially, debating to try and prove each other wrong is pointless, and not just pointless, but almost stupid. I doubt anyone is going to change their views. It is much more important to try and think deeper and evaluate yourself and your world, a discussion of beliefs (expanding from religion because atheists say they aren't religious but I think their thoughts to be included).

Views can change, I myself was a strong catholic turned athiest/agnostic, but I suppose the chance of your views changing because of a game forum is minimal. I do think it is important to evaluate yourself and the world but you must do so objectively and with thought to a greater picture for society rather than simply your own fate, and eventual death, all the time.

In my opinion, the purpose of life and continued existence is the advancement of humanity. Our society as a whole can almost be considered one entity that grows, learns, becomes sick, gets healed, etc. Although our individual lives are relatively short, we each contribute to humanity for better or for worse. Through reproduction, passing along knowledge, and collectively gaining wisdom, we immortalise humanity. Our greatest hope should be to live everyday to the fullest and when approaching death, be content in knowing that humanity will go on and hopefully benefit from your life.

I think that, wrong or not, looking forward to an afterlife is far better than looking forward to nothing after death.
One of the great sweetness es in life is looking forward to something, if you have nothing to look forward to your life is dull and purposeless. Once you die, it will not matter if you were wrong about an afterlife, but it did make your life that much sweeter. You lived to do your best to prepare for another life, you lived looking forward to something, and you lived with comfort and assurance. This is what I see in my family.
Living not knowing if there is something after death or even thinking there is nothing is a life of fear, a life with nothing after, a seemingly pointless blip of an existence that will, except in a very very few cases, be forgotten completely. You live a short life, then you have nothing. Even your pathetic existence, while it lasts, is full of the fear that it could end any time. Nor is it very important, there are billions of others like you, or more important than you. Your existence is temporary, it will inevitably end, and it isn't even very important.

I am also interested in hearing people's thoughts on these: how valuable is a human life? How important is it? And why?

What is the point of life? Why do you bother living?

Everyone needs to be able to answer these questions and I will ask a few more if people do.
Essentially, debating to try and prove each other wrong is pointless, and not just pointless, but almost stupid. I doubt anyone is going to change their views. It is much more important to try and think deeper and evaluate yourself and your world, a discussion of beliefs (expanding from religion because atheists say they aren't religious but I think their thoughts to be included).

I for one think it's sad wasting the time here in this life we all know for certain we have - in favor of wish thinking there is something more and better after. The odds that you exist as you are are truly fantastic in any case of belief I've seen - it is a huge waste to just throw parts of it away prepping for something that has no evidence of existing.

The world would likely be a much better place for everyone if instead people focused on the here and now and made that better instead. People would have minds that are more relaxed and at peace if they did things not out of fear or reward dished our by a divine parent figure but out of actual empathy for others with no desire for reward other than the good it does the world. If there was a benign god I'd imagine that would gain you more respect from it as well.

What exactly do you consider a 'wasted' life? If we were all heading toward death, what exactly would be the point of living a 'good' life? We could not acknowledge our wasted life afterward. We would simply decay and possibly be forgotten as time went on. Life is also what we as individuals make of it. Christians are to live a joy filled life for they are filled with the love and joy of Jesus. When we think of our afterlife we are also content that there is actually something to live for. We have an idea of what life is then, and we can live it without fear or hurry. Those are the defining characteristics of a joyful life in my opinion.