Celtic Heroes

One thing plus3 if 1 out of every 8 public schools teaches creationism then why don't u take ur kids to one of the other 7 schools that teach evolution. I don't know about your neighborhood, but my town has a good amount of schools within driving distance. Even if ur town doesn't have many schools there are most likely other towns with schools around you which u could take ur kids to. I also don't want to hear that the school is to far away; which is more important to u; ur kids education or ur comfort? If u want ur kids to learn evolution then u have options. U could even(gasp) homeschool ur kids. Personally i think u should let hem stay in the school that teaches creation. (Insert something mean that i wanted to say but won't cause its insulting here).

Hey Ed glad ur back. My personnal theory and it is shared by others is that in the beginning when God created the earth, there was a layer of water around the earth(or something similar to what we have today, except much more powerful) that kept out the harmful UV rays from the sun that cause decay. This would also account for where the water for the flood came from.

Also while im on the subject of the flood, ken ham answered very nicely why the ark might not have leaked( why the ship wouldn't twist and turn. Also if u look at the dimensions if the ark, the way that it was built made it almost impossible to capsize unless it was flipped upside down. Also if we are going to assume that the biblical account of Noah is true then we have to assume that God was involved. U really think that the most powerful, all-knowing being of all couldnt build a boat that wouldn't sink? Also during the Flood God probably protected the ark. Another thing is that Noah would have had plenty of time to build the ark as it was at least 50 years(more like 100) from when God spoke to Noah until the Flood.

Edit: looked up the story and found out that it was more like 100 years not 200. Oops.

@ Plus3:

Religious choice Labeled as child abuse?
Have you no realization of America's History?

That seems Illogical to me.

Sadly I probably know more American history than you and have neglected my studies.

And yes when people lie to children - mislead them knowingly about facts - teach them it's ok to make believe what is real despite evidence - scare them with threats of hell and abandonment of friends, family, peers to get them to conform - then yea it is child abuse. All it does is serve thier religious agenda of pumping money in to keep the system going. All knowing, all powerful, but somehow bad with money god. It actually does quite a bit of harm to the child and world.

And yes I said it would never happen.

Then the children can do what you did. go to the lying Atheists.

I also want to bring up seeing is not believing. Have you personally be up in space? Can you say "I saw in person Earth being round!". If not, why do you believe its round? I believe in God, even though Humans have no way within our Mortal restraints to see him.

@ Plus3:

Religious choice Labeled as child abuse?
Have you no realization of America's History?

That seems Illogical to me.

Sadly I probably know more American history than you and have neglected my studies.

And yes when people lie to children - mislead them knowingly about facts - teach them it's ok to make believe what is real despite evidence - scare them with threats of hell and abandonment of friends, family, peers to get them to conform - then yea it is child abuse. All it does is serve thier religious agenda of pumping money in to keep the system going. All knowing, all powerful, but somehow bad with money god. It actually does quite a bit of harm to the child and world.

And yes I said it would never happen.

Then the children can do what you did. go to the lying Atheists.

I also want to bring up seeing is not believing. Have you personally be up in space? Can you say "I saw in person Earth being round!". If not, why do you believe its round? I believe in God, even though Humans have no way within our Mortal restraints to see him.

Sadly I probably know more American history than you and have neglected my studies.

And yes when people lie to children - mislead them knowingly about facts - teach them it's ok to make believe what is real despite evidence - scare them with threats of hell and abandonment of friends, family, peers to get them to conform - then yea it is child abuse. All it does is serve thier religious agenda of pumping money in to keep the system going. All knowing, all powerful, but somehow bad with money god. It actually does quite a bit of harm to the child and world.

And yes I said it would never happen.

Then the children can do what you did. go to the lying Atheists.

I also want to bring up seeing is not believing. Have you personally be up in space? Can you say "I saw in person Earth being round!". If not, why do you believe its round? I believe in God, even though Humans have no way within our Mortal restraints to see him.

It depends what you mean by seeing. I can not directly observe the Earth from space but with a basic telescope during a lunar eclipse, I can observe that the shadow of Earth on the Moon is round and, therefore, the Earth itself must be round.

Argumentum ad hominem

Attack the idea, not the person.

Argumentum ad hominem

Attack the idea, not the person.

Attacking the idea dosent work as you can see. Humiliating people who can't face basic facts is a better strategy than using rationality on a mind incapable of it. Let them know ignorance and reality denial aren't to be respected.

Ok i really hate to use this argument, but plus3 there are scientist in almost all fields of science tha belief in creationism. Many of these man do not believe in God. They are not Christians. But yet these men belief in intelligent design. They can't all be sentimental morons. So if these geniuses believe in creationism based on the evidence they can see( not because of how they were raised) then what makes u think there is no argument for creationism?

Also the seperation of church and state was put in place so that the church would no control the state and vice versa. It was to keep people from being forced to believe something. Your children are not being forced to believe anything. Also it was freedom of religion not freedom from religion that the founding fathers wanted.

Also u are right vraelen, all tha stuff about homeschoolers not getting a good education is so stupid. Me and my brothers were all homeschooled. We all succeed in almost everything we want to. We are perfectly able to talk to people. None of us are dumb or uneducated.