Celtic Heroes

you evolutionists think that your theory is so thoroughly confirmed by overwhelming evidence that it is an uncontroversial fact that deserves a complete monopoly in labs and classrooms. but show me a FACT that supports evolution, not these little presumptuous ideas of what an intelligent designer would or would not do. ANYTHING.

Do you believe in and understand gene mutations? Evolution is basically the idea that people with a mutation that helps them survive better will have a very good chance to reproduce, therefore, spreading that mutated gene.

Cancers, tumours, deformation, etc; are proof that the body can mutate and we are awaiting a more useful adaptation that will further help us survive.

Ap Bio ftw... Lol.

So there is no such thing as a "Theory of Evolution". It does not exist. Its called "Darwin's Theory of Evolution" and there is no other theory outside of that one. What you are talking about above is a mutation or an adaptation not evolution. Darwin's Theory of Evolution says that one species can become a whole different species. This is where the disagreement is. A true scientist will say that this has not at all been proven. Hence why its still called Darwin's THEORY and not Darwin's FACT. There is no proof what-so-ever of a change in KINDS. Only adaptations within the species themselves (a cat knows to use the litter-box without being told is not evolution, its an adaptation).

Personally I don't quite know where I stand yet. Evolution is not contrary to Christianity. God could had very well used evolution for his purposes. There is a lot of heated debate here because a lot of religious people think evolution disproves God. That is not at all correct.

I am however skeptical of evolution because of all the manipulation that surrounds it. Like where those two guys glued 2 butterflies to a tree and took a picture as some kind of proof that was later found out to be a lie and yet its still in public school books. For me evolution is currently Liberal Propaganda and thus I sway away from it. Of course that doesn't mean its false.

The topic doesn't even belong in this thread in my opinion.

*Sigh* I apologise, that is in fact only one theory of evolution. However, it is the most widely accepted theory in the scientific world. The main idea of evolution is that somehow life changes and eventually a cumulatiion of thoses changes would separate a group into a new species.

Bacteria is a perfect example. They can evolve so quickly that there are different strains which are different species of that bacteria. Another example is the different shapes, densities, etc, of humanoid skeletons which would have been earlier versions of us.

I do not understand how evolution is liberal propaganda... That is seriously beyond me. Lol

People see evolution as disproving God because almost all ideas around evolution suggest that we were once apes and I believe many religions state that we simply started out just as we are today.

Proof to some extent of evolution.

Through your X chromosome mitochondria, ever single person on the entire planet can be traced back to one family in Africa that remains there to this day


People have evolved

Proof to some extent of evolution.

Through your X chromosome mitochondria, ever single person on the entire planet can be traced back to one family in Africa that remains there to this day

People have evolved

That isnt evolution. There is no change in Kinds.

I would disagree and say that it is evolution, however it has not been long enough for a new species to form. Remember the earth is billions of years old, humans have only been around for thousands of years (in our current form) and it takes hundreds of thousands to evolve into an entirely new species. So i would say we are evolving, we are just very early in the process

Proof to some extent of evolution.

Through your X chromosome mitochondria, ever single person on the entire planet can be traced back to one family in Africa that remains there to this day

People have evolved

That isnt evolution. There is no change in Kinds.

I am fairly certain he means the family Hominid(Hominidae or aka Great apes) which include chimpanzees, gorillas, humans, and orangutans. All of which are still found in Africa and theoretically originated in Africa.

By comparing DNA, fossils, bacteria, microbes, etc; in these species, you could infer that such similarities are the result of a common ancestor. That is the perspective of science and evolution.

I would disagree and say that it is evolution, however it has not been long enough for a new species to form. Remember the earth is billions of years old, humans have only been around for thousands of years (in our current form) and it takes hundreds of thousands to evolve into an entirely new species. So i would say we are evolving, we are just very early in the process

How do you know that it takes hundreds of thousands of years? There is no evidence for this. We have so far not found any concrete fossil record of the gradual change in kinds that we are expecting in order to prove darwin's theory of evolution. So you're not telling us how it really is. You're telling us how you *think* that it is.

This is a great deal more aligned with Faith than Science. It would better for you to say that we are Adapting not Evolving.

Remember Darwin's Theory of evolution says there is a gradual change in Kinds. A gradual change from one species to another. Its very important we get this right. The fact is we don't know. You don't and I don't. We have to keep looking. Unlike God I believe this can be proven or disproven someday via Science but until that day it remains Faith. Faith isn't always religious.

ok, cells can change but thats not my point. we dont see anything changing today. how can we account the origin of all species from a couple little cells if we cant account for the origin of one fruit fly species from another fruit fly species? and how did the first cells begin in the first place? the oldest fossil bats still have sonar built in. and there is no fossils that indicate that there has been change.

I would disagree and say that it is evolution, however it has not been long enough for a new species to form. Remember the earth is billions of years old, humans have only been around for thousands of years (in our current form) and it takes hundreds of thousands to evolve into an entirely new species. So i would say we are evolving, we are just very early in the process

How do you know that it takes hundreds of thousands of years? There is no evidence for this. We have so far not found any concrete fossil record of the gradual change in kinds that we are expecting in order to prove darwin's theory of evolution. So you're not telling us how it really is. You're telling us how you *think* that it is.

This is a great deal more aligned with Faith than Science. It would better for you to say that we are Adapting not Evolving.

Remember Darwin's Theory of evolution says there is a gradual change in Kinds. A gradual change from one species to another. Its very important we get this right. The fact is we don't know. You don't and I don't. We have to keep looking. Unlike God I believe this can be proven or disproven someday via Science but until that day it remains Faith. Faith isn't always religious.

In your point of view, what is the clear difference between adaptation and evolution. Also keep in mind, adaptation is more closely related to natural section than you may believe.

You do not seem to be using the term evolution properly. It seems you are talking about different meanings of evolution as the same thing.

There are two types of evolution: Micro evolution and Macro evolution

Micro evolution is adaptation and changes WITHIN a species over time because of natural selection. An example would be a species of moth where some are born white and some are born brown. These moths like to sit on the bark of trees. because they brown moths blend in with the bark they are harder for predators to find and therefore are more likely to survive and reproduce than the white moths who are easy to find and eat. Over time this species becomes almost all brown moths if not completely brown because the brown moths have a much higher survivability rate. Micro evolution is accurate and observable and we know that it takes place, however micro evolution is only minor changes within a species and no new species is formed because the genetic information for the change was present from the beginning.

Macro evolution is similar to micro evolution in process but according to macro evolution over a very long period of time the species will actually "evolve" into an entirely new species because the genetic changes are actually attributed to positive mutations that were not originally present, but rather, randomly developed by chance and allowed the mutated strain of the species to have a higher survivability rate. Macro evolution requires an extremely extended period of time to occur (millions of years). Macro evolution cannot be observed by scientists and remains an unproven theory.

It is inaccurate to say evolution does not take place because micro evolution most certainly does on a micro scale within a species, however there is no evidence that proves macro evolution can occur.

I would disagree and say that it is evolution, however it has not been long enough for a new species to form. Remember the earth is billions of years old, humans have only been around for thousands of years (in our current form) and it takes hundreds of thousands to evolve into an entirely new species. So i would say we are evolving, we are just very early in the process

How do you know that it takes hundreds of thousands of years? There is no evidence for this. We have so far not found any concrete fossil record of the gradual change in kinds that we are expecting in order to prove darwin's theory of evolution. So you're not telling us how it really is. You're telling us how you *think* that it is.

This is a great deal more aligned with Faith than Science. It would better for you to say that we are Adapting not Evolving.

Remember Darwin's Theory of evolution says there is a gradual change in Kinds. A gradual change from one species to another. Its very important we get this right. The fact is we don't know. You don't and I don't. We have to keep looking. Unlike God I believe this can be proven or disproven someday via Science but until that day it remains Faith. Faith isn't always religious.

In your point of view, what is the clear difference between adaptation and evolution. Also keep in mind, adaptation is more closely related to natural section than you may believe.

The clear difference is a change in Kinds. An ape to a human. Any change within a species itself is an adaptation.