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Re: A discussion about religion

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Re: A discussion about religion

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Christians also amount for the majority of rapists, pedophiles, murderers and sociopaths in the world, fat lot of good they are doing,
Christian: lets help this homeless man by killing him.
Nice logic moron.
1. On what are you basing this?
2. I have grown up around many Christians and I have never seen a christian help a homeless man by killing him, this is utter bull crap from your biased brain.
3. This post is openly insulting to another poster, as well as offensive to an entire religion, if I was a mod I would remove it.

You aren't discussing anything with this post, you are childishly throwing insults at Dersu, and at Christians in general.

Re: A discussion about religion

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I don't think that I've seen much real evidence for having a Christian belief correlate with a higher or lower incidence of rape, child molestation, murder, or sociopathic tendencies. For example statistics about jails are somewhat misleading in my opinion.

I was interested with all the allegations against the catholic church and found that in america the rate of child molestation by priests is very difficult to accurately determine. But long story short I found a conviction rate a about 1/3 of the general population. Because of what is reported, covered up, settled out of court at a possibly higher rate - the 1/3 is likely on the low end of actual offenses compared to an average person - a wild guess of mine is its probably the same as the general population or slightly more likely because of how well protected and respected they are versus the general population at average.

It's so nebulous and hard to say that catholic priests are more or less likely to commit these first two crimes than an average person. For example the wikipedia page on morality and religion shows no real clear evidence for either a positive or negative effect on crime rate with various faiths and strength of conviction. My next phase of research was going to try and correlate that with other seemingly likely professions such as athletic coaches. But I havent gotten that far.

Its always important to say correlation is not causation and that each individual is a different complicated case and that morality is not owned by any religion.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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teachers are 10x more likely to commit an offense against a child. Do you still send your kids to school? How bout the doctor?
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Re: A discussion about religion

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What exactly is your point, Plus3?

I think that you have a lot of learning still to do, most importantly in social etiquette. What purpose does it serve to say that Christians make up 30% or so of the global population?

It means Christians are wrong? How? Majority rules?

What purpose does it serve to use that as an intended insult to tgwaste? It sounds like you are using his being Christian as a way to attack him, and I can't really understand why. I'll tell you this, after reading his posts and getting a glimpse of his personality and tact, I would be very happy if he were my neighbour, regardless of our theological differences.

And remember, God aside for a moment, religious groups and religious people do some of the best work on the planet helping the sick, the poor and otherwise less fortunate. My guestimation is that Christians provide the bulk of that assistance. Heck, for that reason alone I wish there were more Christians, or that more people lived a Christian lifestyle.


You need to be careful when using statistics and numbers. Don't get me wrong, I love them. But they need to serve a purpose; they are great for illustrating trends, as well as for dispelling some myths, but simple percentages don't tell us who is right or wrong. They never have, and they never will.

At one point in time, only a minority of people believed in a heliocentric solar system; did that mean they were wrong? I don't think so.

But let's assume your "majority rules" approach is correct for a moment. In that case, I would retort that pure atheists make up an estimated 2% of the global population. ie. 98% "of the world does not give any value to your" atheistic beliefs. Does it prove anything? No. Be careful of what cans you open; you are more likely than not to end up squirming.

You sound like you think that you are an atheist, though I think you are actually a teen who recently read the Communist Manifesto and is questioning everything. That's normal. I wish you luck on your journey.

In time, you will work it out for yourself, and you will calm down... as of right now, though, I gotta say that you simply sound like a pompous arse who thinks himself the atheistic messiah.

Good luck with that.
Christians also amount for the majority of rapists, pedophiles, murderers and sociopaths in the world, fat lot of good they are doing,
Christian: lets help this homeless man by killing him.
Nice logic moron.
that is simply wrong.

Re: A discussion about religion

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What exactly is your point, Plus3?

I think that you have a lot of learning still to do, most importantly in social etiquette. What purpose does it serve to say that Christians make up 30% or so of the global population?

It means Christians are wrong? How? Majority rules?

What purpose does it serve to use that as an intended insult to tgwaste? It sounds like you are using his being Christian as a way to attack him, and I can't really understand why. I'll tell you this, after reading his posts and getting a glimpse of his personality and tact, I would be very happy if he were my neighbour, regardless of our theological differences.

And remember, God aside for a moment, religious groups and religious people do some of the best work on the planet helping the sick, the poor and otherwise less fortunate. My guestimation is that Christians provide the bulk of that assistance. Heck, for that reason alone I wish there were more Christians, or that more people lived a Christian lifestyle.


You need to be careful when using statistics and numbers. Don't get me wrong, I love them. But they need to serve a purpose; they are great for illustrating trends, as well as for dispelling some myths, but simple percentages don't tell us who is right or wrong. They never have, and they never will.

At one point in time, only a minority of people believed in a heliocentric solar system; did that mean they were wrong? I don't think so.

But let's assume your "majority rules" approach is correct for a moment. In that case, I would retort that pure atheists make up an estimated 2% of the global population. ie. 98% "of the world does not give any value to your" atheistic beliefs. Does it prove anything? No. Be careful of what cans you open; you are more likely than not to end up squirming.

You sound like you think that you are an atheist, though I think you are actually a teen who recently read the Communist Manifesto and is questioning everything. That's normal. I wish you luck on your journey.

In time, you will work it out for yourself, and you will calm down... as of right now, though, I gotta say that you simply sound like a pompous arse who thinks himself the atheistic messiah.

Good luck with that.
Christians also amount for the majority of rapists, pedophiles, murderers and sociopaths in the world, fat lot of good they are doing,
Christian: lets help this homeless man by killing him.
Nice logic moron.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever? You are starting to make completely false and randomly generated claims at this point.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Christians also amount for the majority of rapists, pedophiles, murderers and sociopaths in the world, fat lot of good they are doing,
Christian: lets help this homeless man by killing him.
Nice logic moron.

Once again, you show your complete ignorance of reality. I'm still waiting for your response on the other thread, where you made a foolish statement about what Jesus "said," by the way. I'm not holding my breath... :roll:

I suppose it is unavoidable because you obviously have some deep-seated discrimination against Christianity. I've no idea why, but that's in your closet, I guess. I'm sorry if someone claiming to be a Christian harmed you. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk.


As for you above mistakes, it is merely your misguided belief. There is no evidence to support your claims. You also lack an understanding of human psychology, which also makes your statement hard to follow. I don't hold that against you, as I assume it to be due to your age.

I can easily counter all your claims, but rather than do that... I'd like to see you support your claims.

And before you provide us with the wealth of information you have, please restate your charges in terms that can actually be quantified. Pedophilia and Sociopathy are mental disorders. Not only do they affect people across the globe, they have nothing to do with religion, and sufferers don't necessarily act on their desires. If you mean child molestation, please say that. I have no idea what you are trying to imply with the term sociopath. Many sociopaths function normally in society; in fact, many excel in business.

I wish you luck in your research. I'll be waiting to critique your findings.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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I’m not in this world to live up to your expectations
and you’re not in this world to live up to mine.
-Bruce Lee


People who have given us their complete confidence believe that they have a right to yours.
Their inference is false, a gift confers no rights.

This post isn't addressed to anyone in particular, it's just for anyone to read who comes across it.

Re: A discussion about religion

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What exactly is your point, Plus3?

I think that you have a lot of learning still to do, most importantly in social etiquette. What purpose does it serve to say that Christians make up 30% or so of the global population?

It means Christians are wrong? How? Majority rules?

What purpose does it serve to use that as an intended insult to tgwaste? It sounds like you are using his being Christian as a way to attack him, and I can't really understand why. I'll tell you this, after reading his posts and getting a glimpse of his personality and tact, I would be very happy if he were my neighbour, regardless of our theological differences.

And remember, God aside for a moment, religious groups and religious people do some of the best work on the planet helping the sick, the poor and otherwise less fortunate. My guestimation is that Christians provide the bulk of that assistance. Heck, for that reason alone I wish there were more Christians, or that more people lived a Christian lifestyle.


You need to be careful when using statistics and numbers. Don't get me wrong, I love them. But they need to serve a purpose; they are great for illustrating trends, as well as for dispelling some myths, but simple percentages don't tell us who is right or wrong. They never have, and they never will.

At one point in time, only a minority of people believed in a heliocentric solar system; did that mean they were wrong? I don't think so.

But let's assume your "majority rules" approach is correct for a moment. In that case, I would retort that pure atheists make up an estimated 2% of the global population. ie. 98% "of the world does not give any value to your" atheistic beliefs. Does it prove anything? No. Be careful of what cans you open; you are more likely than not to end up squirming.

You sound like you think that you are an atheist, though I think you are actually a teen who recently read the Communist Manifesto and is questioning everything. That's normal. I wish you luck on your journey.

In time, you will work it out for yourself, and you will calm down... as of right now, though, I gotta say that you simply sound like a pompous arse who thinks himself the atheistic messiah.

Good luck with that.
Christians also amount for the majority of rapists, pedophiles, murderers and sociopaths in the world, fat lot of good they are doing,
Christian: lets help this homeless man by killing him.
Nice logic moron.
You know that's stereotyping Christians and that's just wrong. It seems like your discriminating against them. If you have a problem with Christians, you should not be on this topic at all if your going to say something like that. Enough with your bias.
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