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Re: A discussion about religion

#491
I posted that there is debate on whether Catholicism is a subset of Christianity pages and pages back before my last post. There are many Baptist and non denominational Christians that agree with me on this fact.
well that is news to me. Guess you are right about there being some people that think this. However catholics do consider themselves Christians and this is a minority, if not highly offensive to many, view.

Vaccine denial is religious and not a part of Christianity. Exactly.
never said it was mainstream Christianity.

You did not go back and read my argument obviously.

Again, you are bashing Christianity. God did not say that humans were created through evolution in Genesis 1. I do believe in intelligent design. Human bodies alone are even too incredibly complex to be a product of chance. Trying to fabricate facts is a crime committed by some Christian textbook composers, such as BJU. It is wrong, because Satan is the author of confusion. It is also brainwash, as you said.
Nothing in evolution says anything is by chance. In fact natural selection is exactly the opposite of chance. It starts out simple - extremely simple - and gradually builds in diversity and complexity.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Nothing in evolution says anything is by chance. In fact natural selection is exactly the opposite of chance. It starts out simple - extremely simple - and gradually builds in diversity and complexity.
nothing is so incorrect.

chance is one of the main things about evolution, somehow by chance we have these perfectly designed bodies, and yes in my other post some of the specific things i said were wrong but you did not get the whole picture and i do not expect you to come anywhere close to. first, we have a chance of some small random genetic mutation to be perfect, and you did not understand what i meant by the birds' wings. there would have to be quite a change between simply cooling the bird off and controllable perfect flight even if it is just gliding, and i say that it would have to be in a single mutation because what good would any of it be if it did not have the whole set? this doesn't just apply to the bird. just about the only choosing in this is natural selection. honestly i dont see how evolution could have been chance driven, if it did occur then i think that it would only work with an intelligent designer guiding the process, but i do NOT think that evolution was the way it occured whether it was a deity or just nothing.

what i am saying here will make me look like a moron to you, but the above is not the real reason why i have made up my mind. there is far, far more evidence that is just censored or hidden purposely, and i know that what i just said will mean nothing to you. this is not just something about science, this is something that has hijacked every corner of our lives, something behind the scenes, something that i will say no more about, unless you are truly willing to hear it then privately talk to me, for i would not make a hint to it in public.

i know that "science" will come up with every possible theory for every individual conflict that will further overwhelmingly prove evolution when it is the most ridiculous myth that was ever thought up. science is not open to facts, it is about opinion and politics, and ANY scientist that speculates against any accepted THEORY will loose their job or their reputation or both, and that is for anything, not just science, the way our world works today is going to hell. the real proof is not in anything that i have said, even though i think that it is proof and there is more that i have not even mentioned, but some of the most overwhelming evidence of the truth of the bible is in the adversary itself, even though not 1% of our brainwashed society has not the slightest the slightest clue about it. btw, do not think that you have made a crack in my view.
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Re: A discussion about religion

#493
Amen to that brother. There is nothing left to say, the conversation should be over. As for the other thing mentioned... Those who know don't talk and those who talk dont know. It might sound funny but it happens to be true.
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Re: A discussion about religion

#494
I would like to say the reason I am a devote believer in science is because, simply put, where God been at? If God is real, why does he let rapists, murderers and criminals exist? He "purged the earth of evil" once, do it again! And there is conclusive evidence of evolution that just flat out trumps religion, if I were to follow any religion it would be Buddhism, they believe that you should not concern yourself with the past. If God came down from heaven and told me right now he was real, I would happily get down on my hands and knees to prey, but it ain't gonna happen, so I ain't praying, may I also add, if God is real, why does he let people such as the KKK claim to stand up for his cause? Does he look on and say "in 50 yrs time they will be in hell"? Cos does that save the 100 poor black men/women who are beaten and killed til those 50 yrs are up? I think God is just a cop out because people cant admit they are afraid of death, I am afraid of death, I will admit it. As soon as you do, you will be much happier. Although, on the bright side. In the future a
Nano bots will have developed so as to slow the ageing process, I believe humans are like a machine, when we die. It is like turning a computer off. For example, if I were to program an AI, that program would feel just like a human, and it too would be scared of death. Scared of the unknown
If people want to know what I 'believe' it is siimilar to this. I expect that within the next 200-400 years there will be no real disease and science will have made humans immortal. No need to age no need to be trapped in a frail body but youthful for eternity (well the universe has a finite lifespan but practically so). No need to be trapped in a particular design if you are a white male and want to be a black female it could be done cheaply and with as high quality as natural black females are toady Well without any genetic defects - artifical so better. You will be able to back up your conciousness so even if you die you can just respawn like in a video game. Goods and services and energy will be so plentiful everyone will live at a far far higher standard then we do today. If you want to deny reality no one will force you to live you can die old school if you so chose. I doubt I will live to that day but if cheap ubiquitous immortality and a wonderful world playground with toys for all dosent shut up bs promises of make believe 'after life' nothing will.

I do not in the slightest care if anyone else thinks this nor do I expect anyone to 'believe' it.
Nanobots are where its at for achieving immortality atm

Re: A discussion about religion

#495
Nothing in evolution says anything is by chance. In fact natural selection is exactly the opposite of chance. It starts out simple - extremely simple - and gradually builds in diversity and complexity.
nothing is so incorrect.

chance is one of the main things about evolution, somehow by chance we have these perfectly designed bodies, and yes in my other post some of the specific things i said were wrong but you did not get the whole picture and i do not expect you to come anywhere close to. first, we have a chance of some small random genetic mutation to be perfect, and you did not understand what i meant by the birds' wings. there would have to be quite a change between simply cooling the bird off and controllable perfect flight even if it is just gliding, and i say that it would have to be in a single mutation because what good would any of it be if it did not have the whole set? this doesn't just apply to the bird. just about the only choosing in this is natural selection. honestly i dont see how evolution could have been chance driven, if it did occur then i think that it would only work with an intelligent designer guiding the process, but i do NOT think that evolution was the way it occured whether it was a deity or just nothing.

what i am saying here will make me look like a moron to you, but the above is not the real reason why i have made up my mind. there is far, far more evidence that is just censored or hidden purposely, and i know that what i just said will mean nothing to you. this is not just something about science, this is something that has hijacked every corner of our lives, something behind the scenes, something that i will say no more about, unless you are truly willing to hear it then privately talk to me, for i would not make a hint to it in public.

i know that "science" will come up with every possible theory for every individual conflict that will further overwhelmingly prove evolution when it is the most ridiculous myth that was ever thought up. science is not open to facts, it is about opinion and politics, and ANY scientist that speculates against any accepted THEORY will loose their job or their reputation or both, and that is for anything, not just science, the way our world works today is going to hell. the real proof is not in anything that i have said, even though i think that it is proof and there is more that i have not even mentioned, but some of the most overwhelming evidence of the truth of the bible is in the adversary itself, even though not 1% of our brainwashed society has not the slightest the slightest clue about it. btw, do not think that you have made a crack in my view.
You don't seem to understand just how many adaptations it took, biologically, to make humans or any other animals, it took 250,000,000 years approx from life starting (started due to amino acids in atmosphere) and to life being what it is now, from the start it has been "adapt to survive" and as animals we do that well, there were thousands of animals that failed the natural selection and went extinct, the animals you see today are less than a third of a percent of the animals that could exist if their evolutionary trait was something actually useful

Re: A discussion about religion

#496
Nothing in evolution says anything is by chance. In fact natural selection is exactly the opposite of chance. It starts out simple - extremely simple - and gradually builds in diversity and complexity.
nothing is so incorrect.

chance is one of the main things about evolution, somehow by chance we have these perfectly designed bodies, and yes in my other post some of the specific things i said were wrong but you did not get the whole picture and i do not expect you to come anywhere close to. first, we have a chance of some small random genetic mutation to be perfect, and you did not understand what i meant by the birds' wings. there would have to be quite a change between simply cooling the bird off and controllable perfect flight even if it is just gliding, and i say that it would have to be in a single mutation because what good would any of it be if it did not have the whole set? this doesn't just apply to the bird. just about the only choosing in this is natural selection. honestly i dont see how evolution could have been chance driven, if it did occur then i think that it would only work with an intelligent designer guiding the process, but i do NOT think that evolution was the way it occured whether it was a deity or just nothing.

what i am saying here will make me look like a moron to you, but the above is not the real reason why i have made up my mind. there is far, far more evidence that is just censored or hidden purposely, and i know that what i just said will mean nothing to you. this is not just something about science, this is something that has hijacked every corner of our lives, something behind the scenes, something that i will say no more about, unless you are truly willing to hear it then privately talk to me, for i would not make a hint to it in public.

i know that "science" will come up with every possible theory for every individual conflict that will further overwhelmingly prove evolution when it is the most ridiculous myth that was ever thought up. science is not open to facts, it is about opinion and politics, and ANY scientist that speculates against any accepted THEORY will loose their job or their reputation or both, and that is for anything, not just science, the way our world works today is going to hell. the real proof is not in anything that i have said, even though i think that it is proof and there is more that i have not even mentioned, but some of the most overwhelming evidence of the truth of the bible is in the adversary itself, even though not 1% of our brainwashed society has not the slightest the slightest clue about it. btw, do not think that you have made a crack in my view.
And the chance thing. Imagine there is 1 million ways a certain animal can evolve, trial and error says EVENTUALLY we gotta evolve the right way, except there is more than 1 right way to evolve, for example, if from monkeys, we evolved the ability to spit acid, grew long claws and superior leg muscles we as a species would still survive. Although we would look vastly different. Sir are you a Christian from birth? Because a lot of Christians only believe the faith because of parental pressure. Just curious because if you were a "born again" Christian I would re-evaluate my argument to something a little more in-depth as you are not just blindly following your parents.
Also you call evolution ridiculous when you believe in a magic man in the clouds

Re: A discussion about religion

#497
Nothing in evolution says anything is by chance. In fact natural selection is exactly the opposite of chance. It starts out simple - extremely simple - and gradually builds in diversity and complexity.
nothing is so incorrect.

chance is one of the main things about evolution, somehow by chance we have these perfectly designed bodies, and yes in my other post some of the specific things i said were wrong but you did not get the whole picture and i do not expect you to come anywhere close to. first, we have a chance of some small random genetic mutation to be perfect, and you did not understand what i meant by the birds' wings. there would have to be quite a change between simply cooling the bird off and controllable perfect flight even if it is just gliding, and i say that it would have to be in a single mutation because what good would any of it be if it did not have the whole set? this doesn't just apply to the bird. just about the only choosing in this is natural selection. honestly i dont see how evolution could have been chance driven, if it did occur then i think that it would only work with an intelligent designer guiding the process, but i do NOT think that evolution was the way it occured whether it was a deity or just nothing.

what i am saying here will make me look like a moron to you, but the above is not the real reason why i have made up my mind. there is far, far more evidence that is just censored or hidden purposely, and i know that what i just said will mean nothing to you. this is not just something about science, this is something that has hijacked every corner of our lives, something behind the scenes, something that i will say no more about, unless you are truly willing to hear it then privately talk to me, for i would not make a hint to it in public.

i know that "science" will come up with every possible theory for every individual conflict that will further overwhelmingly prove evolution when it is the most ridiculous myth that was ever thought up. science is not open to facts, it is about opinion and politics, and ANY scientist that speculates against any accepted THEORY will loose their job or their reputation or both, and that is for anything, not just science, the way our world works today is going to hell. the real proof is not in anything that i have said, even though i think that it is proof and there is more that i have not even mentioned, but some of the most overwhelming evidence of the truth of the bible is in the adversary itself, even though not 1% of our brainwashed society has not the slightest the slightest clue about it. btw, do not think that you have made a crack in my view.
Evolution is the non random removal of random changes in genes in a species. It is extremely non random - highly targeted to the environment of the organism.

You fail to understand that features may have 5,6,7 or even more purposes. Feathers can aid in heating, cooling, be a show of genetic and overal health fitness to mates, provide basic communication, perhaps even camoflauge. Its not like human designed things where there is often one purpose only - nature is far more 'clever' because whatever works does what dosent dosent. It is this repurposing that can make what appear to be massive changes with no possible use for that skill with a half way evolved design actually possible with small and incremental changes.

There is no hidden conspiracy to hide data from unbelievers. Science works or we wouldn't be having this discussion over the Internet. You yourself must accept it to use the devices and reply as you have.

And it is true that there are unfortunate politics and funding issues in science. However the damage this causes is reduced because there is no one science authority. If one group starts to act in a non-science way for a political agenda then the 4507 (or some large number) of other large groups call bs and supply the data to show why because it dosent fit thier agendas. The system is not perfect but it works pretty well.
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Re: A discussion about religion

#498
Also you call evolution ridiculous when you believe in a magic man in the clouds
Haha! Hey Magixal, let me ask you something, have you ever created anything in your lifetime here on earth? And how was it? Was it a magical experience for you? Fyi You won't find anybody who believes in a "magic man in the clouds" anymore then you'll find an evolutionist who believes complex lifeforms magically appeared out of thin air. No matter how hard you try to prove otherwise, the reasoning that existence of biological machinery necessitates a machine maker will always remain sound logic.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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Also you call evolution ridiculous when you believe in a magic man in the clouds
Haha! Hey Magixal, let me ask you something, have you ever created anything in your lifetime here on earth? And how was it? Was it a magical experience for you? Fyi You won't find anybody who believes in a "magic man in the clouds" anymore then you'll find an evolutionist who believes complex lifeforms magically appeared out of thin air. No matter how hard you try to prove otherwise, the reasoning that existence of biological machinery necessitates a machine maker will always remain sound logic.
While im assuming you made this as a specific account for trolling this thread ill answer anyhow. While the above may be generally true (though id be interested to see evidence believers dont think a invisible god floats up in the sky) the last sentence has been false since Darwin. Before that there were suspicions but few facts to rely on. After evolution came along it completely wiped any need for a complex life form creator from the table.

And religious people have been 'butt hurt', to use the current slang, ever since.
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Re: A discussion about religion

#500
I'm offended that you would think me a troll. But i'm curious, could you explain to me please the flaw in logic if somebody has the belief that a machine having a maker is within the realm of possibility? Why are they so stupid for believing such a thing is even remotely possible?




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