Celtic Heroes

There is plenty of evidence that there is an intelligent being out there who created us. If you don't believe that, then look around you. If you still don't believe, look at how the Bible fits into itself. No other book has that many prophets, views, and statements that agree with each other. It conforms with history perfectly(not counting creation, as since you don't believe in that, you would count it as a descrepincy. There has never been a time when people did not believe in God, not in the Dark ages, not during the Flood(which has plenty of evidence for it by the way(how did sea shells get on top of mountains? Also, the fossils under the earth are layered in the exact manner we would expect if there was a world wide flood.) The Bible matches up exactly with real science. It is evolution that does not match up with the scientific message. It has not been observed, nor is thereany fossil evidence for it. The chances of it occurring are so minute it is not even funny. The Bible can fit into any developments that science makes while evolution tries to explain even the laws of thermodynamics. I am tired of people saying that creationism is not scientific. It is. I am not a moron(against popular belief). I do not deny reality. I just accept what science has proven correct(aka creationism) and reject what it has proven wrong(aka evolution).

Actually the oldest found colony is 35 thousand years old and have no idea of what a god is. And the bible doesnt fit into anything science says, evolution is a case in point of that, the bible has very little external evidences. And you seem to think that if one small part of the bible is true it must all be true.

Just out of curiosity, does that colony remember at all that they were apes at one point? Also I doubt that there is very good evidence for them being 35,000 years old. Also, I do not believe the Bible because one thing it said was true, I believe it because everything it says is true. And stop trying to say that because the Bible doesnt agree with evolution, its wrong. People said that Galileo was wrong for disagreeing with Aristotle because Aristotle was firmly rooted in their minds. Now im not saying that cnt work both ways. You could very easily say that im the person who would disagree with Galileo and I have very little doubt that you will.

All we can do in the debate between the model of evolution and the model of creationism, is see which one has the better evidence. Neither can be tested. For instance, I cannot observe evolution occurring today(dont point me to different animals that have adapted to different things. For instance, a wolf and a poodle are very different, but they are still part of the canine family). And you cannot observe creationism occurring. It is like a courtroom imo. Evidence is poured in from all sides.

One further thing: I still have a much better deal than you. If im right, Im going to heaven. If im wrong, Ill fade away into nothingness. But if you are right, granted you get nothingness, but if your wrong you sure dont get heaven.

But to be honest, the only thing that really matters is whether Jesus is God(and a few other things; im not going to go into detail right now, but that is the main point). You can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. You will be wrong, but you can believe that.

Galileo was right, the sun is the centre of the solar system, attempt to deny that and I will ignore all further posts u make. Also for the last *** time the common cold is evolving as we type, every year it has evolved enough to make any cures for it impossible

Imyourdad nice to see you resort to insults when you are proven wrong, royal ninja did the same thing.

Unless your intrigued and want to understand something moe, this topic is as useless as the comment section in youtube (ongoing debates on gun restriction laws(at least thats politics so its beneficial), wheter god is real or not, or whether cod is better than halo

Both sides, stop pushing your religious beliefs... If your an athiest cool, just don't be an a**hole. Don't tell other people what they should believe in.. Btw without religion, the world wouldnt function, there would be more crime, less hope, and disorder along with chaos because some people only live for their religious beliefs, so don't be pushing your "facts" or "logic". Did you even see the number of pages this thread is? Smh ppl smh

Actually, Norway has low religion and low crime rates, religion leads to many crimes including the oppression of women, and the oppression of gays, the Christians are the ones going to jail, committing crimes, and is atheists are viewed as evil because we believe you shouldn't be allowed to carry 12 automatic weapons, 5 hand grenades, 3 rocket launchers and a nuke.

One further thing: I still have a much better deal than you. If im right, Im going to heaven. If im wrong, Ill fade away into nothingness. But if you are right, granted you get nothingness, but if your wrong you sure dont get heaven.

But to be honest, the only thing that really matters is whether Jesus is God(and a few other things; im not going to go into detail right now, but that is the main point). You can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. You will be wrong, but you can believe that.

Pascals wager is pretty stupid. I mean really stupid. If you want an argument to follow Christianity.

First off the wager assumes equal odds which is nonsense. In fact if you look at evidence one is a fleeting nothingness and the other near absolute certanity. Would you risk wasting your one life to all that nonsense if you had the same chance to go to heaven as winning every single lottery while losing not a single one on the planet for the next 1000 years? Selling yourself yourself out of this life for an imaginary second one is the greatest scam possible - this life and existence is infinitely valuable - not some imagined farce.

Second Jesus will send you to hell for putting other gods above him. Its pretty much a commandment. Other religions don't require this. Since no one knows what god (if any lol) exists it makes far more sense to load up on the gods that are ok with it to bolster your odds. Believing in Christianity makes the least sense - there is no evidence for any god over another whatsoever so the wager you mention is reason to disbelieve in Christianity.

The entire thing is meant to make already believing people more comfortable with their reality denial not try to teach flawed game theory to educated atheists.

Oh and it's pretty funny to watch religious people talk about thermodynamics when they can't even explain its basic principles or even describe what heat is.

umm hey plus3... Do you have a life outside in real life other than the forums or the game??... I mean i guess but you like post too much, go live life kid, cus a forum wont earn you a Diploma.

Lmao I have a masters in mechanical engineering. But hey how's that home schooling going for you? Are you working on saying 'do you want fries with that' concisely?

Unless your intrigued and want to understand something moe, this topic is as useless as the comment section in youtube (ongoing debates on gun restriction laws(at least thats politics so its beneficial), wheter god is real or not, or whether cod is better than halo

Both sides, stop pushing your religious beliefs... If your an athiest cool, just don't be an a**hole. Don't tell other people what they should believe in.. Btw without religion, the world wouldnt function, there would be more crime, less hope, and disorder along with chaos because some people only live for their religious beliefs, so don't be pushing your "facts" or "logic". Did you even see the number of pages this thread is? Smh ppl smh

There is a huge difference between pushing made up nonsense and pushing facts over myths. You cannot push athiest 'belief' as athiesm is non belief.

One side has actual evidence to back its claims with zero evidence to the contrary. The other side has tons of evidence to the contrary and people who can't really wrap thier brains around what evidence actually is or what it means. There are reasons atheists are statistically more intelligent and have higher educations on average over the general population.

If you think make believe reality is OK why don't you support hollocaust denial?? If you can understand why that's wrong maybe you will start to grasp the larger picture. Religion causes many problmems with society. The least religious parts of America are doing the best with the most religious doing the worst. From education to violent crimes. Atheists are represented ten times less than the general population while Muslims are five times over represented in prisons - according the the bureau of prisons athiests are the least represented of any religion. The best places to live in the world with the longest lifespans, lowest crime, best care for citizens, etc, are the least religious on the planet.

There are serious consequences for reality denial.

quote="Magixal"]

There is plenty of evidence that there is an intelligent being out there who created us. If you don't believe that, then look around you. If you still don't believe, look at how the Bible fits into itself. No other book has that many prophets, views, and statements that agree with each other. It conforms with history perfectly(not counting creation, as since you don't believe in that, you would count it as a descrepincy. There has never been a time when people did not believe in God, not in the Dark ages, not during the Flood(which has plenty of evidence for it by the way(how did sea shells get on top of mountains? Also, the fossils under the earth are layered in the exact manner we would expect if there was a world wide flood.) The Bible matches up exactly with real science. It is evolution that does not match up with the scientific message. It has not been observed, nor is thereany fossil evidence for it. The chances of it occurring are so minute it is not even funny. The Bible can fit into any developments that science makes while evolution tries to explain even the laws of thermodynamics. I am tired of people saying that creationism is not scientific. It is. I am not a moron(against popular belief). I do not deny reality. I just accept what science has proven correct(aka creationism) and reject what it has proven wrong(aka evolution).

Actually the oldest found colony is 35 thousand years old and have no idea of what a god is. And the bible doesnt fit into anything science says, evolution is a case in point of that, the bible has very little external evidences. And you seem to think that if one small part of the bible is true it must all be true.

Just out of curiosity, does that colony remember at all that they were apes at one point? Also I doubt that there is very good evidence for them being 35,000 years old. Also, I do not believe the Bible because one thing it said was true, I believe it because everything it says is true. And stop trying to say that because the Bible doesnt agree with evolution, its wrong. People said that Galileo was wrong for disagreeing with Aristotle because Aristotle was firmly rooted in their minds. Now im not saying that cnt work both ways. You could very easily say that im the person who would disagree with Galileo and I have very little doubt that you will.

All we can do in the debate between the model of evolution and the model of creationism, is see which one has the better evidence. Neither can be tested. For instance, I cannot observe evolution occurring today(dont point me to different animals that have adapted to different things. For instance, a wolf and a poodle are very different, but they are still part of the canine family). And you cannot observe creationism occurring. It is like a courtroom imo. Evidence is poured in from all sides.

One further thing: I still have a much better deal than you. If im right, Im going to heaven. If im wrong, Ill fade away into nothingness. But if you are right, granted you get nothingness, but if your wrong you sure dont get heaven.

But to be honest, the only thing that really matters is whether Jesus is God(and a few other things; im not going to go into detail right now, but that is the main point). You can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. You will be wrong, but you can believe that.

Galileo was right, the sun is the centre of the solar system, attempt to deny that and I will ignore all further posts u make. Also for the last ****** time the common cold is evolving as we type, every year it has evolved enough to make any cures for it impossible[/quote]

I know Galileo was right. But that wasnt the point. The point was that just because something is accepted by the majority of scientists(even geniuses. I doubt anyone here would denie that Aristotle was a genius), doesnt mean it is right. Also I think it is significant that many of the "fathers" of different subjects were Christians, an that some even based their work on the Bible.

Unless your intrigued and want to understand something moe, this topic is as useless as the comment section in youtube (ongoing debates on gun restriction laws(at least thats politics so its beneficial), wheter god is real or not, or whether cod is better than halo

Both sides, stop pushing your religious beliefs... If your an athiest cool, just don't be an a**hole. Don't tell other people what they should believe in.. Btw without religion, the world wouldnt function, there would be more crime, less hope, and disorder along with chaos because some people only live for their religious beliefs, so don't be pushing your "facts" or "logic". Did you even see the number of pages this thread is? Smh ppl smh

There is a huge difference between pushing made up nonsense and pushing facts over myths. You cannot push athiest 'belief' as athiesm is non belief.

One side has actual evidence to back its claims with zero evidence to the contrary. The other side has tons of evidence to the contrary and people who can't really wrap thier brains around what evidence actually is or what it means. There are reasons atheists are statistically more intelligent and have higher educations on average over the general population.

If you think make believe reality is OK why don't you support hollocaust denial?? If you can understand why that's wrong maybe you will start to grasp the larger picture. Religion causes many problmems with society. The least religious parts of America are doing the best with the most religious doing the worst. From education to violent crimes. Atheists are represented ten times less than the general population while Muslims are five times over represented in prisons - according the the bureau of prisons athiests are the least represented of any religion. The best places to live in the world with the longest lifespans, lowest crime, best care for citizens, etc, are the least religious on the planet.

There are serious consequences for reality denial.

Did you just say muslims are more represented in jail? Thats some heartless stuff to say.. I thought the discrimination and hate from 911 was gone...

You cant judge someone based on their beliefs or non-beliefs, i have a friend whos an athiest because a majority of japanese are. Im not familiar with the bible, im not christian, but athiests have "evidence" god doesnt exist because of evolution. Ok, so maybe god didnt create humans, how the f*** did the common ancestor we have with chimpanzees get there then? The human body, as well as bodies of animals are SOO complex that there are so many processes and back-ups to maintain homeostasis, the transition from earth covered in rock and some water to the beginning of life, mainly protists, is something pretty close to a miracle. Also, religion has been around, around the world even in the old ages when there was no communication, many areas believed in god, do you think one troll woke up sayin "hmm why dont i make the entire world believe in something that doesnt exist" probably not..

You said that norway has low religion and crime, maybe i shoulda restated, some people could only be stable with religion, there are people who don't care for the government and the only thing stopping them from a life of crime is their faith in religion.

As i said before, don't push beliefs on people (or non-beliefs- my bad ) if we wanna live a life that you think is pointless, thats our decision.. your not a god (lol perfect time to use that expression) .

im pretty sure what solumbum said about being the better deal was a joke lol, its kinda true and funny, the same way it was a good idea to deny the apocalypse because if youre wrong, there will be nobody to say i told you so

Btw idk about the bible, but in my religion it teaches so many good morals, that whoever set it up, either actually met god or had a godly personality because if people actually followed it instead of mis-interpreting it and pulling a missionary by trying to spread influnece, we'd have good people, is religion such a bad thing if all these good morals are there? And the population of athiests is too low to compare them to religious people because thats insufficient data.

Unless your intrigued and want to understand something moe, this topic is as useless as the comment section in youtube (ongoing debates on gun restriction laws(at least thats politics so its beneficial), wheter god is real or not, or whether cod is better than halo

Both sides, stop pushing your religious beliefs... If your an athiest cool, just don't be an a**hole. Don't tell other people what they should believe in.. Btw without religion, the world wouldnt function, there would be more crime, less hope, and disorder along with chaos because some people only live for their religious beliefs, so don't be pushing your "facts" or "logic". Did you even see the number of pages this thread is? Smh ppl smh

There is a huge difference between pushing made up nonsense and pushing facts over myths. You cannot push athiest 'belief' as athiesm is non belief.

One side has actual evidence to back its claims with zero evidence to the contrary. The other side has tons of evidence to the contrary and people who can't really wrap thier brains around what evidence actually is or what it means. There are reasons atheists are statistically more intelligent and have higher educations on average over the general population.

If you think make believe reality is OK why don't you support hollocaust denial?? If you can understand why that's wrong maybe you will start to grasp the larger picture. Religion causes many problmems with society. The least religious parts of America are doing the best with the most religious doing the worst. From education to violent crimes. Atheists are represented ten times less than the general population while Muslims are five times over represented in prisons - according the the bureau of prisons athiests are the least represented of any religion. The best places to live in the world with the longest lifespans, lowest crime, best care for citizens, etc, are the least religious on the planet.

There are serious consequences for reality denial.

Did you just say muslims are more represented in jail? Thats some heartless stuff to say.. I thought the discrimination and hate from 911 was gone...

You cant judge someone based on their beliefs or non-beliefs, i have a friend whos an athiest because a majority of japanese are. Im not familiar with the bible, im not christian, but athiests have "evidence" god doesnt exist because of evolution. Ok, so maybe god didnt create humans, how the f*** did the common ancestor we have with chimpanzees get there then? The human body, as well as bodies of animals are SOO complex that there are so many processes and back-ups to maintain homeostasis, the transition from earth covered in rock and some water to the beginning of life, mainly protists, is something pretty close to a miracle. Also, religion has been around, around the world even in the old ages when there was no communication, many areas believed in god, do you think one troll woke up sayin "hmm why dont i make the entire world believe in something that doesnt exist" probably not..

Yes Muslims are 5 times more likely to wind up in American prisons than the average person. I don't make this up it is a fact from the US census and federal bureau of prisons.

Also as far as make belief in god yes most societies have creation myths and god. But you don't believe in juju of the mountain, zales, Odin, or Zeus do you? Even Christians can't agree on basic facts of religion. If god was real every last separated isolated culture would have exactly the same highly detailed religion. There would only be one religion.

You said that norway has low religion and crime, maybe i shoulda restated, some people could only be stable with religion, there are people who don't care for the government and the only thing stopping them from a life of crime is their faith in religion.

As i said before, don't push beliefs on people (or non-beliefs- my bad ) if we wanna live a life that you think is pointless, thats our decision.. your not a god (lol perfect time to use that expression) .

im pretty sure what solumbum said about being the better deal was a joke lol, its kinda true and funny, the same way it was a good idea to deny the apocalypse because if youre wrong, there will be nobody to say i told you so

putting facts before myth is required for societies to function. Otherwise you would be doing stupid things like preaching the evils of condoms during an aids epidemic and cause hundreds of thousands of needless deaths for example. Show me the last time scientists murdered each other over dark matter evidence because I can show you today's news of religions killing over fantasy everyday.

Btw idk about the bible, but in my religion it teaches so many good morals, that whoever set it up, either actually met god or had a godly personality because if people actually followed it instead of mis-interpreting it and pulling a missionary by trying to spread influnece, we'd have good people, is religion such a bad thing if all these good morals are there? And the population of athiests is too low to compare them to religious people because thats insufficient data.

You mean good morals like how to beat your slaves properly? Or how you should murder homosexual men? Maybe it's putting to death people who work on Sunday? The fact is the bible is full of horrible detestable genocidal misogynistic morality. You have to do extreme cherry picking of facts to make it even remotely moral.

So explain to me how your lowly human status gives you the right to ignore the mandates of your god? If god was real your thoughts mean nothing. Your morality nothing. You would have to smile and bow and scrape and live in fear your thought crime of knowing it was immoral would get you tortured forever.

I thank god he dosent exist every day.

quote="Plus3"]

Unless your intrigued and want to understand something moe, this topic is as useless as the comment section in youtube (ongoing debates on gun restriction laws(at least thats politics so its beneficial), wheter god is real or not, or whether cod is better than halo

Both sides, stop pushing your religious beliefs... If your an athiest cool, just don't be an a**hole. Don't tell other people what they should believe in.. Btw without religion, the world wouldnt function, there would be more crime, less hope, and disorder along with chaos because some people only live for their religious beliefs, so don't be pushing your "facts" or "logic". Did you even see the number of pages this thread is? Smh ppl smh

There is a huge difference between pushing made up nonsense and pushing facts over myths. You cannot push athiest 'belief' as athiesm is non belief.

One side has actual evidence to back its claims with zero evidence to the contrary. The other side has tons of evidence to the contrary and people who can't really wrap thier brains around what evidence actually is or what it means. There are reasons atheists are statistically more intelligent and have higher educations on average over the general population.

If you think make believe reality is OK why don't you support hollocaust denial?? If you can understand why that's wrong maybe you will start to grasp the larger picture. Religion causes many problmems with society. The least religious parts of America are doing the best with the most religious doing the worst. From education to violent crimes. Atheists are represented ten times less than the general population while Muslims are five times over represented in prisons - according the the bureau of prisons athiests are the least represented of any religion. The best places to live in the world with the longest lifespans, lowest crime, best care for citizens, etc, are the least religious on the planet.

There are serious consequences for reality denial.

Did you just say muslims are more represented in jail? Thats some heartless stuff to say.. I thought the discrimination and hate from 911 was gone...

You cant judge someone based on their beliefs or non-beliefs, i have a friend whos an athiest because a majority of japanese are. Im not familiar with the bible, im not christian, but athiests have "evidence" god doesnt exist because of evolution. Ok, so maybe god didnt create humans, how the f*** did the common ancestor we have with chimpanzees get there then? The human body, as well as bodies of animals are SOO complex that there are so many processes and back-ups to maintain homeostasis, the transition from earth covered in rock and some water to the beginning of life, mainly protists, is something pretty close to a miracle. Also, religion has been around, around the world even in the old ages when there was no communication, many areas believed in god, do you think one troll woke up sayin "hmm why dont i make the entire world believe in something that doesnt exist" probably not..

Yes Muslims are 5 times more likely to wind up in American prisons than the average person. I don't make this up it is a fact from the US census and federal bureau of prisons.

Also as far as make belief in god yes most societies have creation myths and god. But you don't believe in juju of the mountain, zales, Odin, or Zeus do you? Even Christians can't agree on basic facts of religion. If god was real every last separated isolated culture would have exactly the same highly detailed religion. There would only be one religion.

You said that norway has low religion and crime, maybe i shoulda restated, some people could only be stable with religion, there are people who don't care for the government and the only thing stopping them from a life of crime is their faith in religion.

As i said before, don't push beliefs on people (or non-beliefs- my bad ) if we wanna live a life that you think is pointless, thats our decision.. your not a god (lol perfect time to use that expression) .

im pretty sure what solumbum said about being the better deal was a joke lol, its kinda true and funny, the same way it was a good idea to deny the apocalypse because if youre wrong, there will be nobody to say i told you so

putting facts before myth is required for societies to function. Otherwise you would be doing stupid things like preaching the evils of condoms during an aids epidemic and cause hundreds of thousands of needless deaths for example. Show me the last time scientists murdered each other over dark matter evidence because I can show you today's news of religions killing over fantasy everyday.

Btw idk about the bible, but in my religion it teaches so many good morals, that whoever set it up, either actually met god or had a godly personality because if people actually followed it instead of mis-interpreting it and pulling a missionary by trying to spread influnece, we'd have good people, is religion such a bad thing if all these good morals are there? And the population of athiests is too low to compare them to religious people because thats insufficient data.

You mean good morals like how to beat your slaves properly? Or how you should murder homosexual men? Maybe it's putting to death people who work on Sunday? The fact is the bible is full of horrible detestable genocidal misogynistic morality. You have to do extreme cherry picking of facts to make it even remotely moral.

So explain to me how your lowly human status gives you the right to ignore the mandates of your god? If god was real your thoughts mean nothing. Your morality nothing. You would have to smile and bow and scrape and live in fear your thought crime of knowing it was immoral would get you tortured forever.

I thank god he dosent exist every day.[/quote]

Actually, you are trying to make the Bible sound a lot worse than it is by giving only part of the information. For instance, I could say that our country has killed 100,000 people this year. This would sound really bad. But if I told you that those people were all murderers, or victims of war, it would be ok. You have to take things in context.

What I would like to know is: How does religion contribute to the advancement of humanity?

Evolution was not created as a counterpart for religion. Science do not work to disprove religon. Religion would first need justification and evidence before it could be considered valid.

The only evidence presented that is somewhat valid, both here and in the rest of society, is the existence of places mentioned in scripture and historical events that are vague but verifiable through other historical texts. However, both are mere side truths that would indicate exaggeration and manipulation, common in folklore and myth.

The argument of "everyone has a concept of god" is not entirely incorrect. Humanity seems to be hard wired with hierarchical functionality. It is not everyone has a concept of god but rather, everyone believes someone or something is better than themself, and therefore, a collective agreement with such thought process would yield the creation of a god.

I say a god not just to be fair to every religion but to emphasise the fact that there are regions of the world that have completely different views of the being at the top of the hierarchy. Now one could say such a pattern suggests that there must be some form of god, to which I would say "perhaps." I feel that it is more probable for the idea of god to be a reflection of hardwired human nature, however, a widespread idea of a higher being across previously nonconnected groups of humans does hold some merit and would certainly be more probable than any one religon.

Now to one who would select a religon, such as the majority here who support Christianity, I would say the argument of "everyone has a concept of God" is completely incorrect and I suggest you truly examine the diversity of religon. In fact, if the concept of God had started with the first group of humans and was properly cemented as mentioned in the bible, why is it that groups of humans have almost entirely different ideas God(and gods) as well as different collections of scripture?

The Ancient Greek and Roman scripture also has mention of verifiable predictions, hisotorical facts, and places. Why would it be any less likely than European scripture?

Just a side note to this question:

Ok, so maybe god didnt create humans, how the f*** did the common ancestor we have with chimpanzees get there then?

This seems to be the question that we all want to know. The origin of life. Religion, however, does not answer it any better than science does. In fact, it is the ever present modifications in science the fact that religion is unchanging, that would make me favour the scientific ideas of evolution and the Big Bang over the simple ideas of "a god did it."


Please excuse the spelling and grammatical mistakes that are most likely above. I do not have enough time to correct them at the moment.