Celtic Heroes

Aggra the 4th dimension is time, you are travelling through it at right now, although when you move at all time slows down by an amazingly tiny amount, and going faster than light results in going backwards in time, just like going at the speed of light freezes time (at your local area)

Yep traveling at the speed of light freezes time for you - it is the equivalent of instantaneous travel for the observer - however the universe will age around you at normal speed. Traveling faster than light through physical space isn't really possible - doubly so if you have mass.

Oh and ElEldric - mass can be created and destroyed. That's how nuclear power works. The difference is mass in a nuclear reaction may be small but energy = mass x speed of light ^ 2 which is quite allot.

I am aware that matter can be converted to energy the actual equation looks like: E=mc^2. Energy can also be converted to matter. That is not creating or destroying matter/energy, it is changing its form, note that this is described in the law: matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. The total amount of matter/energy in the universe remains constant. note that matter and energy are used interchangeably in the first law because they can change between each other.

An exception to matter being destroyed would be antimatter, but antimatter does not create matter and we still know very little about it.

Edit* antimatter reactions also produce energy in very large quantities, implying that the matter is changed to energy rather than destroyed. Again, we don't know that much about it.

Also, sorry about all the posts in a row but I am trying to reply to a bunch of mini conversations and copy and paste is a pain.

If nothing can exist forever, how is god eternal? See what im getting at?

No I don't.

Is the equal axiom in mathematics eternal? How is 1 = 1 not an eternal truth embedded in any reality? How could that not exist? Wouldn't mathematics and logic predate the universe since our laws of physics work so perfectly on them since time began for us?

Let's go a Step further. Would not mathematics and logic need to be in place for anything like a deity to even exist? Because you don't need a deity for math and logic.

Even better. If these mathematical principles are eternal perhaps our reality is just the actual embodiment of them.

No god needed.

You have taken my post to mean something else, you seem to think I was voicing my opinion for god, while my opinion was voiced against it. I was pointing out that god cannot be eternal if nothing is eternal, I was using his own logic against him. Please consider that I am an atheist before reading my posts as you have assumed I am christian. Thanks.

Be careful not to take posts the wrong way. If you are fully against any form of god and your post was taken as support for god then it says something about the clarity of the poster or the or the amount of effort to understand of the quoter.

Aggra the 4th dimension is time, you are travelling through it at right now, although when you move at all time slows down by an amazingly tiny amount, and going faster than light results in going backwards in time, just like going at the speed of light freezes time (at your local area)

Yep traveling at the speed of light freezes time for you - it is the equivalent of instantaneous travel for the observer - however the universe will age around you at normal speed. Traveling faster than light through physical space isn't really possible - doubly so if you have mass.

Oh and ElEldric - mass can be created and destroyed. That's how nuclear power works. The difference is mass in a nuclear reaction may be small but energy = mass x speed of light ^ 2 which is quite allot.

I am aware that matter can be converted to energy the actual equation looks like: E=mc^2. Energy can also be converted to matter. That is not creating or destroying matter/energy, it is changing its form, note that this is described in the law: matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. The total amount of matter/energy in the universe remains constant. note that matter and energy are used interchangeably in the first law because they can change between each other.

Plus3 showed the equation, he just went into what each letter stood for, and when science eventually finds the TOE (theory of everything) religion would look on with sadness as its last die-hard fans come to their senses.

I've honestly no idea where to begin. There are several things I would like to comment on, but with Festivus just around the corner... I figure I will tackle things bit by bit. I'll start with something I hate: quote mining/misquoting:

.... to quote Richard Dawkins "science is interesting, and if you don't think so. **** you" probs my favourite quote

While the above is similar to something that came out of Dawkins' mouth, it is an exaggeration to call it a Dawkins' quote, as he was quoting someone else.

Dawkins was challenged on his way of interacting... he was asked if his way of dealing with people (specifically related to those who refuse to accept facts) was too "barbed."

He replied:

Just one anecdote to show that I'm not the worst in this thing... a former and highly successful editor of New Scientist magazine, who actually built up New Scientist to great new heights, was asked "What is your philosophy at New Scientist?" and he said "Our philosophy is this: Science is interesting, and if you don't agree, you can &*#@ off."

Though Dawkins probably agreed with the quote, saying that it is his quote is taking it out of context.

It is a very rare occurrence that he would swear, and to be honest, that was the only time I have heard him do so. To say that that was his statement makes him sound rather crude... which is sooooooo far from the refined person that he is.

First law of thermodynamics...

Mass is a measurement of matter. Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed, only transformed to other forms of matter and energy.

Dark matter/energy, antimatter, etc are highly theoretical and, therefore, should be excluded as hard evidence for discussion.

With that said, where is this discussion heading? Lol

First law of thermodynamics...

Mass is a measurement of matter. Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed, only transformed to other forms of matter and energy.

Dark matter/energy, antimatter, etc are highly theoretical and, therefore, should be excluded as hard evidence for discussion.

With that said, where is this discussion heading? Lol

Let's talk about antimatter because it is exciting.

I described the big bang theory as something or nothing exploded but you said two things collided, its the same difference though, it doesn't give an answer to origins (unless you classify the origins as a god by my definition) it only pushes the answer backwards.

If nothing can exist forever, how is god eternal? See what im getting at?

That is my point exactly, nothing can exist eternally inside the laws of this universe, but there has to be an eternity, our universe has to be eternal or has to have came from something eternal, I am arguing that something being eternal makes it a god because there is no other option.

There are plenty of other options besides a 'Christian non catholic god'. In fact infinite.

It depends on how you slice the universe as to what is inside it. Anything before would also be just another part of the universe. Outside the visible universe is just the universe also. It may be that all possibility is connected we just don't have evidence one way or the other as of today.

Evidence for mathematics is that it was present and functioning at the beginning of time from out perspective. This implies that it could also be outside of our time frame. It is definitely not constrained to our reality as it is an abstract set axioms and logical functions. It is not man made as man was not around at the beginning of time. It can be unearthed and discovered only.

Evidence of god if you are going to make that claim please.

As I said what we see may be simply the eternal truth of extremely simple logical rules. No magic sky beard man who cares so much about where you put your wang required.

First law of thermodynamics...

Mass is a measurement of matter. Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed, only transformed to other forms of matter and energy.

Dark matter/energy, antimatter, etc are highly theoretical and, therefore, should be excluded as hard evidence for discussion.

With that said, where is this discussion heading? Lol

Not sure what you are meaning but the first law of thermodynamics states that heat is a form of energy. Because energy is conserved, the internal energy of a system changes as heat flows in or out of it.

Antimatter is anything but theoretical. You may want to look up what a PET scanner does or what particles they are measuring over at CERN.

Dark matter is observable through gravitational influence and there is just as much evidence for it as black holes. You can see that stars orbit nearly an order of magnidude too fast for the gravity that astronomers can account for in galaxies. Gravitational lensing is where massive structures like galaxies bend the light behind them and again there is way more bending than is accountable for. Look up the bullet cluster for a third type of evidence. It is so overwhelming that the only deniers are laypeople with no understanding of high school physics. Something is creating that gravational effect.

Finally there is pretty good evidence for dark energy as well. Most of the evidence is based of the rate of change of the size of the universe at different periods in time. Supernovas as well as some other methods have been used to measure this. Additionally there is evidence in the cosmic microwave background. So manny different approaches lead to the same conclusion - that the universe expansion is accelerating. When I was in high school there were three different hypothesis for the expanding universe - it would fall back in on itself - it would expand to a specific size asymptotically - or expand forever at an ever slower rate. For all of these there was little evidence measured but they were good extrapolations from known data. The scientists that discovered this were the first ones to actually take the data. It is now widely accepted by all physicists.

First law of thermodynamics...

Mass is a measurement of matter. Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed, only transformed to other forms of matter and energy.

Dark matter/energy, antimatter, etc are highly theoretical and, therefore, should be excluded as hard evidence for discussion.

With that said, where is this discussion heading? Lol

Theoretical? Its been proven, they have created positrons over that the large hadron collider in Switzerland, and dark matter is proven by the effect it has on light, over a long distance of time it will bend light, making it appear to come from another location, this has all been proven by science.

First law of thermodynamics...

Mass is a measurement of matter. Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed, only transformed to other forms of matter and energy.

Dark matter/energy, antimatter, etc are highly theoretical and, therefore, should be excluded as hard evidence for discussion.

With that said, where is this discussion heading? Lol

Also, dark energy was proven because without it,our galaxy wouldnt hold together, despite the incredible gravitational pull of the supermassive black hole at the middle of our galaxy, some outer planets would whizz off. Dark matter has a gravitational effect on these planets to keep them there.