Celtic Heroes

That legal document from you before you have intercourse!
It's not man made at all.
So don't forget to obtain that legal document!

Also, don't read the bible or at least make sure you have a poor understanding
of whatever religious denomination it is that you follow. (33,000+ different denominations in Christianity alone).
Just emulate what you see everyone else doing your whole life.
And make sure to obey and submit to authority and never question what the
institutions teach you and never study what there designed to do to your mind and body.
Keep critical and skeptical thinking skills at a low because that's just "negative thinking" if you try to go higher.
Don't believe what neuropsychologists say about the brain,
it's all the soul that does the thinking that's "somewhere" in your body.
Let the words from the bible and the sound waves people make with there voice box
completely consume and hypnotise you.

i do agree somewhat, most people are so convinced with what they think is true and that it is so overwhelmingly confirmed that they do not know what the crap they are talking about.

there is not one person on earth that has a perfect view of everything, and in order to learn and come closer to the truth you have to accept the fact that you dont have a perfect view. you must be willing to accept that you might be wrong, and have an open mind about it, or else you will just be trapped in the things that you think that you know now. there are people that will ignore and deny what is plain and simple to see because it is not what they think is true. this is a problem with our world today, if there is an accepted theory about something, such as evolution, the evidence against it will just be ignored and the scientists that teach against it will lose their jobs, or their reputation, or both, so all you see about it is the "evidence" for it (that is for a whole different thread).

In my opinion, a true atheist, someone who has no belief, is weak minded. it is impossible to answer every little thing about something with the knowledge we have now, but that is no reason to just blow it all off. we all have our beliefs according to how we view the world, some peoples' view of life is to play-play-play all day, and there are other people who have a higher purpose in life.

there is only one reality, one way that things happened. every person has a different view of life, and therefore a different belief. you will only find the truth if you are open minded and are willing to accept that you might be wrong and are trying to gain a higher understanding.

if you have an attitude that everything is a delusion, dont bother. what if your BELIEF that all beliefs are delusions, is a delusion?? think outside your box and if you want further truth about things do not assume that everything is a delusion.

All of life is an illusion.
Perceptions are mangled, twisted and knotted.

All of life is an illusion.
Perceptions are mangled, twisted and knotted.

what if this is a delusion???

WHAT IF YOUR CAT IS A DELUSION???

WHAT IF CH IS A DELUSION???????

talk about hypocrisy, lol

You didn't even read my whole post carefully did you?
I even stated we are all hypocrites and everything is a contradiction. I said I was aware of it buddy.
You also state that if someone rejects god completely then there weak minded.
Just because someone doesn't live up to your expectations in life when it comes to your beliefs doesn't mean their weak minded in a certain sense. In fact, usually more educated and developed countries have higher rates of atheists.



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Stop with the religious posts it causes anger and spamm lol

You didn't even read my whole post carefully did you?
I even stated we are all hypocrites and everything is a contradiction. I said I was aware of it buddy.
You also state that if someone rejects god completely then there weak minded.
Just because someone doesn't live up to your expectations in life when it comes to your beliefs doesn't mean their weak minded in a certain sense. In fact, usually more educated and developed countries have higher rates of atheists.



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i did read it all, i am sorry if my comment discomforted you.

maybe i shouldnt have said it like that. no, i say that someone with no belief whatsoever is weak minded, which there is in reality no such person, even you have a "belief" that all beliefs are delusions, and if that is true, your belief is a delusion.

I am not saying that! i am not saying anything like "if you dont live up to my standards then you are weak minded" and i wouldnt expect you to. there are people that have a belief lower than me IN MY POINT OF VIEW, that are successful and have a firm belief in what they have.

countries with a higher rate of bible followers, will have a lower crime rate than other countries and a higher society. look it up. Christian rate, not atheist rate.

Call liberty, they'll help you live a better life.

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I like fried chicken........thats about what the other person your arguing that your religion is better than theirs is hearing from your point of view.
I know abunch of you guys on the forums are relatively young and dont have much knowledge of history. Since the beginning of time wars have been fought over how ones religion is better than the next. It's not gonna change, so I wouldnt get too bogged down in a religious showdown on a forum about an online game.

countries with a higher rate of bible followers, will have a lower crime rate than other countries and a higher society. look it up. Christian rate, not atheist rate.

Nothing could be further from the truth, Rochoh.

I wouldn't step foot in the majority of highly Christian nations for fear of my life. Such gems as Ecuador, Venezuela, Columbia, Boliva... the U.S...

Now I understand that many of those high Christian, high crime countries also have a fair amount of other issues such as poverty to contend with, but looking at only first world countries, your theory also falls flat.

Crime in the overly religious U.S. is rampant; here in secular Japan it is nearly non-existent.

This is a good study in the Journal of Religion and Society (Vol. 7, 2005) that compared top nations and their societal dysfunctions: http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.pdf

The reason this study was quite interesting is that it looked at several things (not only crime) that indicates a socially dysfunctional society.

Some tid-bits from the study in chronological order:

Theists often assert that popular belief in a creator is instrumental towards providing the moral, ethical and other
foundations necessary for a healthy, cohesive society. Many also contend that widespread acceptance of evolution, and/or denial of a creator, is contrary to these goals.

A quantitative cross-national analysis is feasible because a large body of survey and census data on rates of religiosity, secularization, and societal indicators has become available in the prosperous developed democracies including the United States.

The continuing popularity of creationism in America indicates that it is in reality a theistic social-political movement partly driven by concerns over the societal consequences of disbelief in a creator.

In the United States many conservative theists consider evolutionary science a leading contributor to social dysfunction because it is amoral or worse, and because it inspires disbelief in a moral creator.

Agreement with the hypothesis that popular religiosity is societally advantageous is not limited to those opposed to evolutionary science, or to conservatives. The basic thesis can be held by anyone who believes in a benign creator regardless of the proposed mode of creation, or the believer’s social-political worldview.

Levels of religious and nonreligious belief and practice, and indicators of societal health and dysfunction, have been most extensively and reliably surveyed in the prosperous developed democracies. Similar data is often lacking for second and third world nations, or is less reliable.

That was the set up to the study... here come the findings:

Among the developed democracies absolute belief in God, attendance of religious services and Bible literalism vary over a dozenfold, atheists and agnostics five fold, prayer rates fourfold, and acceptance of evolution almost twofold. Japan, Scandinavia, and France are the most secular nations in the west, the United States is the only prosperous first world nation to retain rates of religiosity otherwise limited to the second and third worlds.

Correlations between popular acceptance of human evolution and belief in and worship of a creator and Bible literalism are negative. The least religious nation, Japan, exhibits the highest agreement with the scientific theory, the lowest level of acceptance is found in the most religious developed democracy, the U.S.

Despite a significant decline from a recent peak in the 1980s, the U.S. is the only prosperous democracy that retains high homicide rates, making it a strong outlier in this regard. Similarly, theistic Portugal (considered a 2nd world country) also has rates of homicides well above the secular developed democracy norm.

Mass student murders in schools are rare, and have subsided somewhat since the 1990s, but the U.S. has experienced many more than all the secular developed democracies combined.

The positive correlation between protheistic factors and juvenile mortality is remarkable, especially regarding absolute belief, and even prayer. Life spans tend to decrease as rates of religiosity rise, especially as a function of absolute belief.

The absence of exceptions to the negative correlation between absolute belief in a creator and acceptance of evolution, plus the lack of a significant religious revival in any developed democracy where evolution is popular, cast doubt on the thesis that societies can combine high rates of both religiosity and agreement with evolutionary science.

In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies.

The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developed democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always scores poorly.

Higher rates of non-theism and acceptance of human evolution usually correlate with lower rates of dysfunction, and the least theistic nations are usually the least dysfunctional.

If the data showed that the U.S. enjoyed higher rates of societal health than the more secular, pro-evolution democracies, then the opinion that popular belief in a creator is strongly beneficial to national cultures would be supported.

Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the more secular, proevolution democracies have, for the first time in history, come closest to achieving practical “cultures of life” that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex related dysfunction, and even abortion. The least theistic secular developed democracies such as Japan, France, and Scandinavia have been most successful in these regards.

And conclusion of the study:

The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted. Contradicting these conclusions requires demonstrating a positive link between theism and societal conditions in the first world with a
similarly large body of data – a doubtful possibility in view of the observable trends.

Interestingly enough, the study also looked within the U.S to find similar results:

There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms.

Now that is only one study, and I am not using it as the sole basis for my claim that you are incorrect... but cross referencing with other stats implies something quite similar. A simple look at various crime rates paints a poor picture for your theory. Conversely, compare that to the the crime rates of highly agnostic countries like Japan, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland etc.

You might not like what you find, but you will at least correct your view that "countries with a higher rate of bible followers, will have a lower crime rate than other countries and a higher society," because it is simply incorrect.