Celtic Heroes

Hmm, focus affects Sharp Shot? News to me.

i meant like no matter what build will it be, longshot is better than sharp shot

You have tested this? Can you provide data showing that Long Shot is better DPS than Sharp Shot for a Dex ranger for example?

nope. i got life. unlike some ppl who prefer fighting with anyone they see on forums.
and dps? well it depends on duration and the kind of fight, if it'll be boss fight, and ofc if the ranger doesnt tank so he can use longshot, then it can do awesome dps
as for cooldown tho, sharp shot is instant and i think lower cooldown, but, sharp shot gets a lot more effective by lvl, when lvling sharp shot can do around the same as melee even as dex build, but longshot can hit only once unless u bolas (altough i actually tried to run a bit and use longshot, it works but still need to move enough without getting other mobs attacking u)
sharp shot might be a bit like pummel, at my lvl, pummel doesnt help me as much as double attack or giant swing, but i see high lvls who can some massive dmg with it, same as sharp, same as quick strike (qs is always good tho), firebolt and lightening strike arent skills of melee classes so i cant consider them.

so at some point, sharp shot can be way better than longshot and doubleshot, im not sure when, so i usually say longshot is better
also dps isnt all, even the effect of longshot which lasts for few secs, still helps, dmg or dps isnt everything when u lvl, thats what some smart rogues will tell u if u go to rogues forums. prob cuz they like to help and not fight, got it?

long is better than sharp, even if u put all of ur pts in focus

so at some point, sharp shot can be way better than longshot and doubleshot, im not sure when, so i usually say longshot is better

Many people asking for advice may be new to the game or new to playing a ranger. Making blanket statements about a skill without considering the facts may do more harm than good. I believe your intentions are good and you are trying to help. But, please provide your reasoning behind your opinions. Your most recent post is much better in this regard.

long is better than sharp, even if u put all of ur pts in focus

so at some point, sharp shot can be way better than longshot and doubleshot, im not sure when, so i usually say longshot is better

Many people asking for advice may be new to the game or new to playing a ranger. Making blanket statements about a skill without considering the facts may do more harm than good. I believe your intentions are good and you are trying to help. But, please provide your reasoning behind your opinions. Your most recent post is much better in this regard.

well, the thread is prob for lvling, i dont think that such high lvl ranger like u would ask for those kinds of help since he prob tested it or had it pre-update, so longshot is for lvling even if ur focus builded (which somehow makes sense if diamond or wyrmbone adds focus), the most recent comment was for u, so u will know what im saying, the op needs to use longshot either way unless hes like very low lvl with skills up to 5-10/unless he doesnt have any regen and longshot can be costly (i think)

long is better than sharp, even if u put all of ur pts in focus

so at some point, sharp shot can be way better than longshot and doubleshot, im not sure when, so i usually say longshot is better

Many people asking for advice may be new to the game or new to playing a ranger. Making blanket statements about a skill without considering the facts may do more harm than good. I believe your intentions are good and you are trying to help. But, please provide your reasoning behind your opinions. Your most recent post is much better in this regard.

well, the thread is prob for lvling, i dont think that such high lvl ranger like u would ask for those kinds of help since he prob tested it or had it pre-update, so longshot is for lvling even if ur focus builded (which somehow makes sense if diamond or wyrmbone adds focus), the most recent comment was for u, so u will know what im saying, the op needs to use longshot either way unless hes like very low lvl with skills up to 5-10/unless he doesnt have any regen and longshot can be costly (i think)

Well done. The rationale for your advice is very clear. For the record, we were in agreement about Long Shot being a good choice for the OP.

Hey guys I'm a dex n vit ranger lvl 80 and I us both long shot and sharp shot and the work awsome for me and I don't have any strength ecpet for 15 and my longsshot does 800 and my sharp does 400
So yes long shot is better than sharp but I use both

Remember I'm asking not about which one does more dmg, but is the fact that I can use sharp shot more than once in a fight worth using it? Or does the superior damage and stopping ability of long shot make it better?

Remember I'm asking not about which one does more dmg, but is the fact that I can use sharp shot more than once in a fight worth using it? Or does the superior damage and stopping ability of long shot make it better?

This is actually a difficult question to answer because there are a number of variables to consider. Since you are putting a lot of thought into your build, I will share some of what I have learned about these skills in the current update and you can decide. Criminal raised a good point about energy consumption so I included this info as well.

My build at the time of the test: Str 400, Dex 316, Ranged Combat 2214

Long Shot:
Skill Pts Damage Energy Mob lvl
20 1981 40 105
25 2251 56 130
30 2551 76 155
35 2883 101 180

Cast Time: 2 sec
Cool Down: 15-16 sec


Sharp Shot:
Skill Pts Damage Energy
20 816 30
25 1078 43
30 1368 59
35 1689 77

Cast Time: instant
Cool Down: 12 sec


As you can see, Long Shot does a nice amount of damage but as you noted, you may only get one shot (if the mob runs up on you). It is possible to bolas and run so you can re-cast Long Shot but you will need a fair amount of energy regen to pull this off (bolas is an energy hog). In a boss fight you will be able to cast Long Shot more than once if you are using a traditional tank. However, if you are bolas walking the boss you will not be able to do this. Each time you root the boss with Long Shot it will attack everyone in range. Rogues will not be happy with you if you use Long Shot while using the bolas walking method with a boss.

The advantage of Sharp Shot is you can cast it multiple times and energy consumption isn’t terrible. In addition to evades, the damage produced with Sharp is highly variable. Since the update, Dex is supposed to have a larger influence on this skill but I haven’t tested this. I don’t use Sharp Shot myself because it is only about 150 points higher than my auto. However, you may find with your build, gear and playing style that Sharp works for you.

Long doesn't root while a mob is bolas'd. Also, bolasing and using long at the same time is highly costly in regards to energy, you will not be able to use it more than a few times. At higher levels, you will find yourself tanking the majority of mobs (except higher lvl bosses ofcourse) and in these cases you will only be able to use long once at the beginning of the fight. It also depends on whether you are using a primarily str or dex build, use sharp if the latter. Personally, i wouldn't use long with either build because there are much more useful skills you could be using, think about dps not a one off mediocre damaging skill. Hope this helps.

Long doesn't root while a mob is bolas'd. Also, bolasing and using long at the same time is highly costly in regards to energy, you will not be able to use it more than a few times. At higher levels, you will find yourself tanking the majority of mobs (except higher lvl bosses ofcourse) and in these cases you will only be able to use long once at the beginning of the fight. It also depends on whether you are using a primarily str or dex build, use sharp if the latter. Personally, i wouldn't use long with either build because there are much more useful skills you could be using, think about dps not a one off mediocre damaging skill. Hope this helps.

I think Wulver stated that this is a glitch so expect a fix in the future.... But for now with enough regens longshot and bolas walking work.

Long doesn't root while a mob is bolas'd. Also, bolasing and using long at the same time is highly costly in regards to energy, you will not be able to use it more than a few times. At higher levels, you will find yourself tanking the majority of mobs (except higher lvl bosses ofcourse) and in these cases you will only be able to use long once at the beginning of the fight. It also depends on whether you are using a primarily str or dex build, use sharp if the latter. Personally, i wouldn't use long with either build because there are much more useful skills you could be using, think about dps not a one off mediocre damaging skill. Hope this helps.

I think Wulver stated that this is a glitch so expect a fix in the future.... But for now with enough regens longshot and bolas walking work.

It is a problem with the game engine as other skills that root also do not work with bolas and as such, will not be fixed until the new engine is released. I doubt you are able to spam bolas and long while keeping your energy up unelss you are using pots. It does not work.