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Re: Double shot

#11
My picture showed a couple things.

It showed double shot hitting much higher than my auto attack. It showed that even with an animation after double shot(apparently animations take too much time) I still fired an auto attack very shortly afterwards.

I haven't done much in testing these theories other than knowing my double attack hits much higher than my autos on my rogue and never misses so I use it. I wanted to know why rangers don't use it.

If I attack a mob with zero resist and my autos average 1500 and double shot averages 3k. Then I go to a boss.
The boss would resist autos in many ways(fire, pierce, cold etc) bringing the total down differently as each type may be resisted a different amount. Double shot on the other hand is resisted only by pierce damage, so if the boss has more of any resist besides pierce damage then double shot would be affected less than your autos would be. This would make double shot even better in such case(especially with a lure on). If pierce resist is higher than any other resist than double shot will be affected more than your autos would be, but would still provide higher damage than auto attacks(pierce lure would help once again).

If anyone has a real reasoning they could provide that would be great thanks.
The auto after double shot is a small visual glitch. After casting double shot you don't do an immediate auto damage.
Wattzon of Sulis

Re: Double shot

#13
As I said the reason is that double shot is slow cast. U can land 3 autos while double is casted.
What else do u want as a reason?
When you're hasted while lixing or on a 5*, it's not ideal to use double shot, but when doing raids and 6 star versions your attacks will miss A LOT, that's where you have double shot.
Wattzon of Sulis

Re: Double shot

#14
As I said the reason is that double shot is slow cast. U can land 3 autos while double is casted.
What else do u want as a reason?
When you're hasted while lixing or on a 5*, it's not ideal to use double shot, but when doing raids and 6 star versions your attacks will miss A LOT, that's where you have double shot.
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Android,Fingal

Re: Double shot

#15
As I said the reason is that double shot is slow cast. U can land 3 autos while double is casted.
What else do u want as a reason?
3 autos is 3.3 seconds. Double shot takes less than 2 seconds to cast.

1.5 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.36 autos missed due to casting the skill.
2 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.82 autos missed due to casting the skill.

This skill has been tested to only cancel 1 auto total by various members of the community, some credible some not.

All those numbers are less than two let alone three. Give me a real reason.

When you're hasted while lixing or on a 5*, it's not ideal to use double shot, but when doing raids and 6 star versions your attacks will miss A LOT, that's where you have double shot.
This I can sort of understand, autos won't miss often and the potential dps gain from using double shot is hardly going to change anything. I wouldn't use the words "not ideal", maybe not necessary. I've seen hits of 4k double shots where the player was autoing 1.5-2k. With the math shown above it seems worth using the skill even then.

Lugh
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Re: Double shot

#16
As I said the reason is that double shot is slow cast. U can land 3 autos while double is casted.
What else do u want as a reason?
3 autos is 3.3 seconds. Double shot takes less than 2 seconds to cast.

1.5 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.36 autos missed due to casting the skill.
2 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.82 autos missed due to casting the skill.

This skill has been tested to only cancel 1 auto total by various members of the community, some credible some not.

All those numbers are less than two let alone three. Give me a real reason.

When you're hasted while lixing or on a 5*, it's not ideal to use double shot, but when doing raids and 6 star versions your attacks will miss A LOT, that's where you have double shot.
This I can sort of understand, autos won't miss often and the potential dps gain from using double shot is hardly going to change anything. I wouldn't use the words "not ideal", maybe not necessary. I've seen hits of 4k double shots where the player was autoing 1.5-2k. With the math shown above it seems worth using the skill even then.
I don't know who told u that double shot is less than 2 sec cast but this is simply not true.
Ranger lvl 215
Android,Fingal

Re: Double shot

#17
As I said the reason is that double shot is slow cast. U can land 3 autos while double is casted.
What else do u want as a reason?
3 autos is 3.3 seconds. Double shot takes less than 2 seconds to cast.

1.5 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.36 autos missed due to casting the skill.
2 seconds to cast/1.1 seconds attack speed = 1.82 autos missed due to casting the skill.

This skill has been tested to only cancel 1 auto total by various members of the community, some credible some not.

All those numbers are less than two let alone three. Give me a real reason.

When you're hasted while lixing or on a 5*, it's not ideal to use double shot, but when doing raids and 6 star versions your attacks will miss A LOT, that's where you have double shot.
This I can sort of understand, autos won't miss often and the potential dps gain from using double shot is hardly going to change anything. I wouldn't use the words "not ideal", maybe not necessary. I've seen hits of 4k double shots where the player was autoing 1.5-2k. With the math shown above it seems worth using the skill even then.
I don't know who told u that double shot is less than 2 sec cast but this is simply not true.
Let me bestow upon you my magical guiding powers. If you log onto the game and press a mob and the little double shot icon, and count the number of seconds it takes to cast double shot you will see that it is less than 2 seconds.
I won't reply here anymore. So don't bother talkin to me.
Interesting.

Lugh
[list][*]Vulture - Level 220 Rogue
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Re: Double shot

#18
@vulture, legendz is spot on, taking cast time out of it, like sharpshot, doubleshot also has an annoyingly long annimation which stalls you from doing any auto damage, i always use double as it is a necessity on bosses but using edl bow on a heroic haste you could probably hit 2 autos and be halfway into a third by the time a double shot connects. i have 10k attack on attack lix.
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Re: Double shot

#19
Double shot cancels one unhasted auto, so the speed of an edl bow being 2800 would be 2.8 second cast time, Which is potentially 3 autos while on a heroic haste since the speed of you bow gets to 1120.

2 autos would be 2240 and since the cast time is an extra 0.56 of a second towards the 3rd auto it could remove that as well. But like LeGenDzZ said its a must for 6* bosses with high defense and any ranger not using it won't get a kill over a similar geared ranger spamming it
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Re: Double shot

#20
Double shot cancels one unhasted auto, so the speed of an edl bow being 2800 would be 2.8 second cast time, Which is potentially 3 autos while on a heroic haste since the speed of you bow gets to 1120.

2 autos would be 2240 and since the cast time is an extra 0.56 of a second towards the 3rd auto it could remove that as well. But like LeGenDzZ said its a must for 6* bosses with high defense and any ranger not using it won't get a kill over a similar geared ranger spamming it
^^^ this
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