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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#31 by yakat
^ do you honestly think people will want to get leeched off of?

There arent always people near your level to train with at all time. You can try and try Yakat, but rangers are a flawed class.
Rangers are a joy to level with. Not only do they have good dps, their sharpen weapons skill buffs me and they can also heal. And everyone has issues finding groups. Suck it up and deal with it.
Im sure you also are in glee when you realize how many bars you are getting with that lix when you train with rangers, or you just dont check.

Good DPS is subjective, im pretty most rangers get their dragon lord bow and quiver lv180+ from clan. Those are what really gives a ranger great DPS compared to slow wyrm bows, low dmg frozen bows, etc.

Sharpen weapons is a great group skill, I agree.

Light heal is an okay skill. It usually gets interrupted, and if you are really in need of heals, you can level with a druid or just use restos.

How much more delusional can you get? Rangers are not the perfect class that you are intending my your several posts, we have far too many skill, DPS issues than you think.
When will you get it through your head that you can't have good heals buffs and debuffs and ranged combat AND have good dps. If you choose str build you can get kills over rogues with little energy issues and do it all from a distance. What more can you ask for? And don't say "Your rogues just suck" because my world like many others have amazing rogues. The dl quiver is better than the dl rondel. You can't have both good survivability and good dps.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#33 by Napol
Ranger skills need huge buff (dps wise anyway) i think their autos r fine. At least for endgame rangers
This. Our auto is FINE. Our skills are crap, we mindswell not even bother with them practically. Why do you think that almost every single high-level ranger is STR and AUTO BASED?!

... End of Discussion.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#34 by Curry30423
We dont want good survivibility and dps. What we want is good dps. Our survival ability wont help us or the clan on bosses much, and that sort of stuff is for the druids. Dps is what will help the clan, and us. But, our dps is terrible skill wise. We want skills that are decent damage, not skills like sharpshot which is horrible damage, and misses most of the time on bosses. Rangers have the ability to survive, thats true, but, how is that really going to help us at all. No one will want to level with a player that can keep himself alive and do horrible damage. Lightheal wont do anything in leveling at all in groups. People have resto, so theres no need to heal them. And lightheal takes about 5 seconds to cast and is easily interrupted. So with that said, lets say ur a level 180 ranger with a 1.3k heal, and u have near 4k hp. One skill hit from a troll will make u lose about half of ur hp, so lightheal will only heal about half of the health lost. Lets say now u use a heal per mob, and lets say (guessing) u kill near 30 mobs per lix. 30 x 5 is 150. Roughly 2.5 mins. so there u waste 2.5 mins on a lix just healing urself. Now u tell me, what type of person would like to level with a person who wastes 2.5 mins a lix. So in the end, our survivibility ability is useless.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#35 by Curry30423
The only people who'll truly understand the ranger downfall are the ones who experienced the change from u3 to u4... If u havent experienced that change and ur saying that rangers are a great class...then u need to get some more info on whats happened to rangers since start of u4
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#36 by LeGenDzZ
Yakat the rondel rogues on your server are overlapping their rondel skills...

Dl quiver is no way better than dl rondel... You lose quiver effect when you die, whereas rondel dmg is constant stays up after you die.

I AM A PURE STR AUTO RANGER WITH DL QUIVER AND I DO NOT GET KILLS OVER RONDEL ROGUES

^ that is enough proof for me to put all your invalid statements down.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#37 by yakat
Yakat the rondel rogues on your server are overlapping their rondel skills...

Dl quiver is no way better than dl rondel... You lose quiver effect when you die, whereas rondel dmg is constant stays up after you die.

I AM A PURE STR AUTO RANGER WITH DL QUIVER AND I DO NOT GET KILLS OVER RONDEL ROGUES

^ that is enough proof for me to put all your invalid statements down.
Can I see your stats? Maybe it's your build. Rondels don't overlap they are assigned on my world.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#38 by yakat
And not only dps matters on bosses. If that were true mages druids and warriors would be useless. You need debuffs like lures. You need heals. You need tanks. You need a well balanced raid group.
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Re: Rangers vs Rogues

#40 by Thrift
And not only dps matters on bosses. If that were true mages druids and warriors would be useless. You need debuffs like lures. You need heals. You need tanks. You need a well balanced raid group.
Warriors are made for tanking, druids are made for buffing and healing, mages are made for debuffing, and rogues are made for dps. What are rangers made for? Survivability?
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