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Re: Drop sharpshot?

#41
Entangle greatly reduces mob dps. It is helpful. But damage is reduced in the mobs auto attacks. You use entangle on a skill driven mob. Yes. It is useless. Its all circumstancial. Some bosses with a high auto rate its very effective. Your tanks will be thanking you. Bolas is also amazing as im sure most would agree with. So the reality is they are both good, for their own reasons. And everything on here is speculation. What you do, and how you do it is not the same as everyone else. Sharpshot works for me. Doesn't work for you. Lose it. Items and clanmates/hunting partys factor in also. You're a ranger always grouping with a druid? Why get light heal? If we want to say what skills are better then others we will be here all day with hypotheticals. Identify your characters weaknesses or areas in need of improvement and plan accordingly. Gl. And happy hunting

Re: Drop sharpshot?

#42
There's nothing wrong with rangers. What is wrong is your build
If nothing is wrong with rangers...

1. why do we suck at pvp AND sometimes at pve too?
2. why are almost all high levels str builds focusing on auto attacks?
3. why are most rangers shoved into the support class category? (no offense lure mages/healing druids)
Belenus
Napstrike- 88+ DPS Rogue- Ninja Pirates
Napol- Ranger

Morrigan
Napol- 130+ Hybrid Ranger
Napol2- 83 DPS Rogue

Re: Drop sharpshot?

#43
There's nothing wrong with rangers. What is wrong is your build
If nothing is wrong with rangers...

1. why do we suck at pvp AND sometimes at pve too?
2. why are almost all high levels str builds focusing on auto attacks?
3. why are most rangers shoved into the support class category? (no offense lure mages/healing druids)
1~ We shoot an arrow . No slashing blades, knifes or wrath of nature... Use your mind :|
2 ~ most do not like being forced to focus all their items to get more energy for casts so strenght based is cheaper to maintain and do damage and ecuip with damaging gear
3 ~ support? Everyone will express their own view since we all play differently. My playtime is all about killing. Most of times alone, because I can handle. And when im in a team. All i do is saving the players potions and idols. I bolas walk. Despite of his level. ( 230 bolas)
☬⌦ Lv.184 Archer

Re: Drop sharpshot?

#44
There's nothing wrong with rangers. What is wrong is your build
If nothing is wrong with rangers...

1. why do we suck at pvp AND sometimes at pve too?
2. why are almost all high levels str builds focusing on auto attacks?
3. why are most rangers shoved into the support class category? (no offense lure mages/healing druids)
1~ We shoot an arrow . No slashing blades, knifes or wrath of nature... Use your mind :|
2 ~ most do not like being forced to focus all their items to get more energy for casts so strenght based is cheaper to maintain and do damage and ecuip with damaging gear
3 ~ support? Everyone will express their own view since we all play differently. My playtime is all about killing. Most of times alone, because I can handle. And when im in a team. All i do is saving the players potions and idols. I bolas walk. Despite of his level. ( 230 bolas)
It's equip not ecuip.
SULIS

CandyRanger
CandyRogue
and etc...

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Re: Drop sharpshot?

#47
Yes. Sharpshot actually does around the same damage as my sharpshot, but my sharpshot usually hits higher on normal mobs, but my double hits higher on bosses.
So just chill on correcting
damn.. calm down.. it's just this thing between me, napol and hawkeye. We love to correct each other. ;)

So yeah.. chill a little.
SULIS

CandyRanger
CandyRogue
and etc...

Clansman of Transcendent :D
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Re: Drop sharpshot?

#48
1~ We shoot an arrow . No slashing blades, knifes or wrath of nature... Use your mind :|
2 ~ most do not like being forced to focus all their items to get more energy for casts so strenght based is cheaper to maintain and do damage and ecuip with damaging gear
3 ~ support? Everyone will express their own view since we all play differently. My playtime is all about killing. Most of times alone, because I can handle. And when im in a team. All i do is saving the players potions and idols. I bolas walk. Despite of his level. ( 230 bolas)
1- sure but just watch 1 combat seen from the arrow series and you can get an ide of what h2h ranger combat can look like. And no knives is bull, everyone had a knife during this time and always carried it with him whether he was going to a picnic or goin to a battle. you can also use arrows in h2h combat and bows can act as shields used for thrusting, some blocking, and getting your opponent offbalance. With a spike or two attached to the ends a bow can become a spear easy as pie. I believe that's enough historical examples. Also this is a GAME and in games there is such a thing as equality between the classes even if each class is specially known for something (war-tank, rogue-hit and run, mage spells, druids heal).

2- That may be slightly correct but also have you ever really looked at your skill dmg and then what it actually shows then at levels etc when dex based? then how many pts are in the skill? then the energy cost? Our skills, especially our dmg skills, especially suck at high levels. Ask around some other classes and people and see what dmg their skills for dmg actually do. Ill bet that at 180-190 3 or more dmg skills can easily give them 6k or more dmg. For rangers that seems to be about the max, not the min. Str is easier with plat yes, but dex is easier for the free-to-play (not so many sigils, restos, lixs, potions). However a good portion enjoy being str because that's the build they like. Im not talking about them (no offence guys) but about the people that (1) want to find the best build, (2) the people who are normally dex built. This is like back in v3 with rogues. They realized as a unit that their skills for the most part and at all lvls was relatively useless and so almost to a man they switched to str builds based totally on autoing- their skill dmg was useless for dps purposes. Now in v4 they have amazing skills that work beautifully. Hopefully we will also get ourselves this good fortune in this next upcoming update with our own dps dmg skills.

3. Aye, I agree with you there. But notice the one thing you pointed out specifically despite everything else you have and bring to a group: bolas. It is a support skill and it is with that skill that most rangers are recognized for groups. For better dps you could/should drop bolas and switch it out for more dps. However, as you and yours do have health bars you have decided to keep it, especially as your heal is not that great being str based. which does waste your dps. Every time you move you could be autoing or casting dps out on your target. Because of your lack of sufficient dex you do not dodge or block many hits, thus increasing your need for bolas. Congratz on your bolas level, but what do you do if it doesn't work? Also do you bolas only with a group or also when you solo? Sigils yes/no? But our defining piece, instead of being dps like rogues even though we are mirror classes, is support: bolas and heals. That is mostly what we are known for. Bolas specifically is asked for by every group especially when bossing. Personally, I kind of get irritated because I don't have bolas and don't use them and yet people constantly ask me for them. If they were also a dmg skill like a DoT perhaps I would be a little more inclined but as is? Pffft. I do good dps, my heal competes with support druids heals sometimes at my level and definitely is as good as a druid's that is 20-30 levels below me. Still I am asked for bolas. Can I walk around with the bolas on yes (if someone else casts and I still maintain aggro) but I prefer to stand in one place and unleash my barrage. :D :lol:

A more pointed question, this time directed more towards OTM in general and the classes design team (skills especially) that I would ask:

What specifically is a ranger for?

As a side note:
Yes. Sharpshot actually does around the same damage as my sharpshot, but my sharpshot usually hits higher on normal mobs, but my double hits higher on bosses.
So just chill on correcting
Its k. ;) :lol: We in general are differing on builds etc. It is (I believe) harmless fun and an effort to keep the English language intact. ;) I know that if I have spelled something wrong I don't mind it being pointed out to me, and sometimes I actually like it. But that's just me. Perhaps hawkye has a diff opinion... by the way candies...
damn.. calm down.. it's just this thing between me, napol and hawkeye. We love to correct each other. ;)

So yeah.. chill a little.
I believe the first e shouldn't be there... :? :lol:
Belenus
Napstrike- 88+ DPS Rogue- Ninja Pirates
Napol- Ranger

Morrigan
Napol- 130+ Hybrid Ranger
Napol2- 83 DPS Rogue

Re: Drop sharpshot?

#49
1~ We shoot an arrow . No slashing blades, knifes or wrath of nature... Use your mind :|
2 ~ most do not like being forced to focus all their items to get more energy for casts so strenght based is cheaper to maintain and do damage and ecuip with damaging gear
3 ~ support? Everyone will express their own view since we all play differently. My playtime is all about killing. Most of times alone, because I can handle. And when im in a team. All i do is saving the players potions and idols. I bolas walk. Despite of his level. ( 230 bolas)
1- sure but just watch 1 combat seen from the arrow series and you can get an ide of what h2h ranger combat can look like. And no knives is bull, everyone had a knife during this time and always carried it with him whether he was going to a picnic or goin to a battle. you can also use arrows in h2h combat and bows can act as shields used for thrusting, some blocking, and getting your opponent offbalance. With a spike or two attached to the ends a bow can become a spear easy as pie. I believe that's enough historical examples. Also this is a GAME and in games there is such a thing as equality between the classes even if each class is specially known for something (war-tank, rogue-hit and run, mage spells, druids heal).

2- That may be slightly correct but also have you ever really looked at your skill dmg and then what it actually shows then at levels etc when dex based? then how many pts are in the skill? then the energy cost? Our skills, especially our dmg skills, especially suck at high levels. Ask around some other classes and people and see what dmg their skills for dmg actually do. Ill bet that at 180-190 3 or more dmg skills can easily give them 6k or more dmg. For rangers that seems to be about the max, not the min. Str is easier with plat yes, but dex is easier for the free-to-play (not so many sigils, restos, lixs, potions). However a good portion enjoy being str because that's the build they like. Im not talking about them (no offence guys) but about the people that (1) want to find the best build, (2) the people who are normally dex built. This is like back in v3 with rogues. They realized as a unit that their skills for the most part and at all lvls was relatively useless and so almost to a man they switched to str builds based totally on autoing- their skill dmg was useless for dps purposes. Now in v4 they have amazing skills that work beautifully. Hopefully we will also get ourselves this good fortune in this next upcoming update with our own dps dmg skills.

3. Aye, I agree with you there. But notice the one thing you pointed out specifically despite everything else you have and bring to a group: bolas. It is a support skill and it is with that skill that most rangers are recognized for groups. For better dps you could/should drop bolas and switch it out for more dps. However, as you and yours do have health bars you have decided to keep it, especially as your heal is not that great being str based. which does waste your dps. Every time you move you could be autoing or casting dps out on your target. Because of your lack of sufficient dex you do not dodge or block many hits, thus increasing your need for bolas. Congratz on your bolas level, but what do you do if it doesn't work? Also do you bolas only with a group or also when you solo? Sigils yes/no? But our defining piece, instead of being dps like rogues even though we are mirror classes, is support: bolas and heals. That is mostly what we are known for. Bolas specifically is asked for by every group especially when bossing. Personally, I kind of get irritated because I don't have bolas and don't use them and yet people constantly ask me for them. If they were also a dmg skill like a DoT perhaps I would be a little more inclined but as is? Pffft. I do good dps, my heal competes with support druids heals sometimes at my level and definitely is as good as a druid's that is 20-30 levels below me. Still I am asked for bolas. Can I walk around with the bolas on yes (if someone else casts and I still maintain aggro) but I prefer to stand in one place and unleash my barrage. :D :lol:

A more pointed question, this time directed more towards OTM in general and the classes design team (skills especially) that I would ask:

What specifically is a ranger for?

As a side note:
Yes. Sharpshot actually does around the same damage as my sharpshot, but my sharpshot usually hits higher on normal mobs, but my double hits higher on bosses.
So just chill on correcting
Its k. ;) :lol: We in general are differing on builds etc. It is (I believe) harmless fun and an effort to keep the English language intact. ;) I know that if I have spelled something wrong I don't mind it being pointed out to me, and sometimes I actually like it. But that's just me. Perhaps hawkye has a diff opinion... by the way candies...
damn.. calm down.. it's just this thing between me, napol and hawkeye. We love to correct each other. ;)

So yeah.. chill a little.
I believe the first e shouldn't be there... :? :lol:
Lmao.. that lecture though.. it made my head swim...

Oh yeah... I keep getting that confused. Hawkye caught me the first time I did it. I just keep forgetting it.
SULIS

CandyRanger
CandyRogue
and etc...

Clansman of Transcendent :D
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Re: Drop sharpshot?

#50
Aye. Reply is not expected. Just something for everyone CH to think about.

And don't worry, we all forget how to spell someone's name sometime. ;)
Belenus
Napstrike- 88+ DPS Rogue- Ninja Pirates
Napol- Ranger

Morrigan
Napol- 130+ Hybrid Ranger
Napol2- 83 DPS Rogue

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