Celtic Heroes

What I forgot to really reinforce before, is that at the stage android is now (or how a lot of ios servers were 8 months ago) the builds are much different from what you'd see on a fully geared clan now. For one, most 210+ rogues don't use a shadowstrike anymore which is what gave them the edge over rangers on mord and hrung in the past. Skills like qs and sneak, while not bad in any way, do much lower total dmg than ls and ss as people would use before. Because for the most part, a full str build with str skills gives better all around dps for rogues on an edl/mord/necro build nowadays. I'd also argue that skain sets, hrung dmg attack braces, etc help rangers more than rogues (rangers have more divine dmg in the long run, and you wanna maximize how often that is landing, especially when skill is active). It would be interesting to see the best geared ranger in ch go against the best geared rogue on bosses like necro mord and 215 6. Anyone in closed beta try that yet?

Ummm BlackMamba we do have toons with mord helms, skain sets, mord spears, full edl aura, etc. No not as much as ios but we are also quite a bit younger than ios.

And I don't know why you would say 210+ toons don't have to alt and rebirth. Our tanks still like to lix and therefore have to change build between lix mode and tank mode. I'm 215 druid and I have to alt between lixing and bossing build. Our rogues still like to use ss when lixing but don't typically use it on bosses.

Does android have a long way to go? Sure. But I don't see using alts and rebirths as an indicator of end game or not. Obviously we don't switch on hrung and 5* edl because they're all easy quick kills but we do for 6* edl and mord. Necro kill coming soon.

^idk about that, edl bow is better than edl dagger (same speed on haste, edl has much more dmg). The edl quiver is better as well, especially with enough other rogues present to cancel each others skills. So the only advantage rogues have is skills, which hit very low on some bosses. I think a fully geared endgame ranger beats a fully geared endgame rogue on many, maybe most, endgame bosses. Have any rogues on gwydion started beating you and demon consistently on bosses lately?

rogues have skills, they win, 12ayne a rogue in our clan will usually get the kill(when he is present) he has full edl, shadow focus helm gara/skain set 1 imp 1 royal attack brace, reaper grand divine dmg ring and a imp cunning ring from ostara not necro . if he isnt present usually demon will get the kill(mostly because of an attack pot ) . or the kill could go to jessica97 or bumblebeee(both have edl oh). jessica not as much due to no poison set. if rogues shadowstrike and quickstrike are evading to much that can also alter the kill. so in retrospect, except for necromancer a rogue can win most of the kills

Ranger skills need to cast faster or do loads more damage. Barbed is slow to cast and the DOT adds up to about a str rangers auto. and you lose a auto or 2 just in the cast time of barbed. Needs to deal more damage on impact like rupture, or deal more damage per tick/poison damage. right now its slow like rupture except deals less damage per tick and less damage on impact. and is dex based. SImiliar to rend except dex based instead of str, and in a dex build i tested its damage many times, was getting around 200 per tick actual damage.

Sharpshot doesnt add to a loss of damage like you say, but it isnt true insta cast, a sharpshot and qs casted at the same time on a noob mob, rogue will deal damage first and get kill. that poses a problem when leveling especially, maybe not so much on a long drawn out boss fight.

explosive arrow is garbage unless you like feasting on resto's due to energy consumption. we are not a focus based class but yet explosive at 48/50 costs 392 energy, its also a slow casting skill. slower than double shot. dealing less damage, with huge energy costs.

Ranger skills need to cast faster or do loads more damage. Barbed is slow to cast and the DOT adds up to about a str rangers auto. and you lose a auto or 2 just in the cast time of barbed. Needs to deal more damage on impact like rupture, or deal more damage per tick/poison damage. right now its slow like rupture except deals less damage per tick and less damage on impact. and is dex based. SImiliar to rend except dex based instead of str, and in a dex build i tested its damage many times, was getting around 200 per tick actual damage.

Sharpshot doesnt add to a loss of damage like you say, but it isnt true insta cast, a sharpshot and qs casted at the same time on a noob mob, rogue will deal damage first and get kill. that poses a problem when leveling especially, maybe not so much on a long drawn out boss fight.

explosive arrow is garbage unless you like feasting on resto's due to energy consumption. we are not a focus based class but yet explosive at 48/50 costs 392 energy, its also a slow casting skill. slower than double shot. dealing less damage, with huge energy costs.

+1

I quit ranger, because after 30 alt books and 15 rebs I couldn't find a good build. I tried everything, even spear, lol.

Yeah there should be a dps battle between top rogues and rangers of each server next beta. Maybe that will end the debate once and for all.

Yeah there should be a dps battle between top rogues and rangers of each server next beta. Maybe that will end the debate once and for all.

I know they're a great class at end game. But getting there seemed to be too slow for me. I feel like they are below average before dl, average with full dl, and above average with edl.

Just my two cents, I really only played the class to 137 so I don't know much about it

Yeah there should be a dps battle between top rogues and rangers of each server next beta. Maybe that will end the debate once and for all.

Rogues will always outgun a ranger if both are equally geared. No point of this battle. Even though rangers will have the higher autos, we only rely on double shot for skill damage while rogues enjoy multiple decent skills, while still having a reasonably good auto.

To make matters worse, the only rings that propel rangers to go head to head with rogues are the oblivion and resurgence rings, the drop rate is very very very low on those. Extremely irritating considering that they are the best rings for STR rangers while OTM continues, maybe ignorantly, releasing DEX based rings, royal long shot, ember drake rings, all Mord rings, etc.

Rangers are only asking for better skills.

Euhm donn has 2 rangers full edl with edl weaps with endgane gear ans sets like skain and also a rogue with main and yes ik they don't have offhands yet but still donn has 25+ edl sets and 6 mainhands so if ur android doesn't mean u sont have edl weaps

Euhm donn has 2 rangers full edl with edl weaps with endgane gear ans sets like skain and also a rogue with main and yes ik they don't have offhands yet but still donn has 25+ edl sets and 6 mainhands so if ur android doesn't mean u sont have edl weaps

Yea but even the weakest top clan in iOS far surpasses that... Which is what they were trying to say