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Re: Current State of Rangers

#61
People talk alot of Trash for who havent played Rangers...like saying the good side...
Point is rangers suck now. So 1+. (BTW Play Rangers Be4 u say they are good)

Played ranger... The ultimate soloing class... U have bolas... U can heal yourself... U can do damage... Have u ever tryed to solo as a DP rouge? :lol: But in a grp setting it needs some buffing.


Cheers 8-)
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Re: Current State of Rangers

#62
My comments were going towards the fact that group training is the most efficient way to train end game, and end game bosses cannot be soloed. Rangers need to have a place, rather than being a third class member of a team and to do so we need to have a few improvements.
World: Epona

Alyssandra Ranger Lvl 221
Atropos Druid Lvl 225
Nyssa Rogue Lvl 215
Briar Rose Mage Lvl 215

Lasciel Rogue Lvl 217
Owl Ranger Lvl 190
Lenore Druid Lvl 191


I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

Re: Current State of Rangers

#64
Let's try this again...first post went into the ether somewhere.

Aly, I think your post is spot on. Granted, Ranger is not my main class, but it is my wife's main class.

We have both been trying to play with builds in new update. Here is how we stand so far...

I can lay down about 14k damage in the first 8 seconds of a fight, for 1750 damage per second. Her average melee hit is around 700, so with haste this gives her around 1000 damage per second, or 8k in the same 8 seconds.

Something needs to be done with Rangers, I am just not sure what. Maybe she will find that magical build which increases her dps, but after reading this I kind of doubt it.

At least they added rebirth and alt quests, so it isn't as expensive to tweek your build.
World: Belenus
Mage: Aengus 224 (retired)
Warrior: ???? 56

Re: Current State of Rangers

#65
Nor should we be able to lol, we just need some role that makes us an effective member of a group. . .not just a player to be put to the side for a rogue or mage, because with rage timers, dps is key.
World: Epona

Alyssandra Ranger Lvl 221
Atropos Druid Lvl 225
Nyssa Rogue Lvl 215
Briar Rose Mage Lvl 215

Lasciel Rogue Lvl 217
Owl Ranger Lvl 190
Lenore Druid Lvl 191


I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

Re: Current State of Rangers

#68
Just to show my support for rangers, I also like to comment that it sucks big time for rangers not being able to benefit from the new *double attack* skill.

Apparently this is because game engine cant handle double range attacks etc.

I have seen warriors using it with very good results. Not sure about rogues but yes its sucks for ranger.
MorphMarfa has retired from Celtic Heroes and most probably wont be resurfacing. He had a enjoyable time during his druid adventures in Taranis.

Lv 182+ Druid : Taranis

Re: Current State of Rangers

#69
I decided to wait a while to make this post based on what I've seen training as a ranger in update 4.

While rangers have been near the bottom of the pack for dps for a while now, it wasn't quite as noticeable as it is now.

Rogues and Mages got a major dps boost - rogue skills do more than auto, and I've seen mages hit 8k+ on 160+ mobs. What did rangers get? Rapid shot no longer hits as fast, Steady Aim was nerfed, Sharp Shot hits the same as an auto hit. . .a bit more if lucky. As for new skills, where are these points supposed to come from? Ranger is full of skills that cannot be used effectively unless you max them: Bolas, Conceal, Camo, Longshot, Sharp Shot. Should we choose not to use these skills we're left with Steady Aim (nerfed), Rapid Shot (nerfed), Light Heal (nerfed in pvp, which is a whooole nother complaint), Sharpen Weapons (admittedly a decent group buff, if you're training with rogues or have it maxed) and Barbed Shot which still isn't that great.

Sure, I get it, Ranger is the proverbial "Jack of all Trades" proficient at all, master of none. But this seriously takes it too far. With new bosses and rage timers, who wants a ranger that won't be putting out near as much dmg as a rogue or mage? Honestly, when we did the 160 6* boss on epona, I was shoved into the tank group as a backup druid. . .which we can thank sigil and energy issues for.

As far as pvp goes, Ranger is the underdog for all. . .alot of people talk about arena and if you can't defend yourself, don't go in. All our decent skills are nerfed, Light Heal only heals less than half its max, Bolas only lasts 15 seconds, Sharp Shot tends to do less dmg than auto, Rapid is slowed down so our auto won't get us far especially against rogues whose melee is faster than us on rapid. What do you expect us to do?

Sure rangers can solo, people like to come back to that one. . .but so can almost any class when set up properly, and with plat aids can do it alot faster.

Don't get me wrong, I still love ranger and will continue to play it, I just feel the class balance has been upset and it's leaving rangers in the dust.
I wouldn't be complaining. you have bolas, which allows you to kill bosses solo that are only 10 levels below you, you have a heal that's almost as good as nature's touch, and you have free haste gloves as a skill. And you're only option for an offhand is like an overpowered trident, your armor is same as rogues, and your weapon damage is much more than rogues, and rangers have a free camo charm as a skill as well. Although rogue is a more ideal choice now that the update has come, rangers are still great and effective. The reason I think OTM didn't really upgrade rangers that much is that they recognized rangers were OP, and I guess they decided to nerf them. Mages are a little OP now I admit, but the only classes I would even consider playing to survive and nuke, are warriors and mages. Rogues have good damage but can't survive that well at all, and warriors have extremely high armor, which makes them take little to no damage. Mages now have overpowered nukes that can blast any class in one hit.

LOL...heal not close to touch. Otm killed rangers an they were never ever OP
-Hard work beats talent when talent doest work hard-

Re: Current State of Rangers

#70
I sure hope OTM is not just deleting negative posts since some offer real criticism, but rather they read this thread and try to get some better balance for our class.
World: Rosmerta
Clan: Revenge/Mythology

Rizzit Ranger Lvl 191 RETIRED

Max hit -------> Just above fluffy bunny

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